Lloyd90 Posted February 7, 2023 Report Share Posted February 7, 2023 I saw it on the news last night, the death of Epsom College head teacher, her husband and their child. I noticed the distinct pause when saying about the death of the mother and child … and then the father. I noticed the (not so) random mention that the headteachers house was next door to the schools rifle range … why mention that I thought … Although it appeared almost obviously what had happened … I held back from speculation … and now this morning, it has been confirmed, Police noted it is a Murder-Suicide. Now the question is … did he use the schools rifles? Will this be classed as a British school shooting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted February 7, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2023 Update - now confirmed to be a shooting. https://apple.news/AzGh_SaJ1QZK7yiCCg0s-BA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted February 7, 2023 Report Share Posted February 7, 2023 It is thought to have been the husband, who was a license holder; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-64544884 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bottletopbill Posted February 7, 2023 Report Share Posted February 7, 2023 Sorry but as this been confirmed yet I hope not. Such a sad loss for many people and a young child and mum lost. Two more angels R I P from nice gun owner's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted February 7, 2023 Report Share Posted February 7, 2023 A terrible set of events and innocents are lost. Feel that he most likely had his own firearms stored at the Schools armoury within the rifle range. Doesn’t make it any better though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millrace Posted February 7, 2023 Report Share Posted February 7, 2023 No.... This is a british murder suicide killing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted February 7, 2023 Report Share Posted February 7, 2023 what difference does storage make with a recently renewed ticket someone failed to do their job again resulting in more loss of life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted February 7, 2023 Report Share Posted February 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Lloyd90 said: I saw it on the news last night, the death of Epsom College head teacher, her husband and their child. I noticed the distinct pause when saying about the death of the mother and child … and then the father. I noticed the (not so) random mention that the headteachers house was next door to the schools rifle range … why mention that I thought … Although it appeared almost obviously what had happened … I held back from speculation … and now this morning, it has been confirmed, Police noted it is a Murder-Suicide. Now the question is … did he use the schools rifles? Will this be classed as a British school shooting? Won't matter how it's classified, it's another nail in the coffin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted February 7, 2023 Report Share Posted February 7, 2023 17 minutes ago, old man said: Won't matter how it's classified, it's another nail in the coffin? may be, may be not the police are not necessarily coming out on top at these very sad and tragic incidents, they looked liked a loving family with professional well paid jobs, such a loss of life to happen the question must be why. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-64547027 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpmilo Posted February 7, 2023 Report Share Posted February 7, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, clangerman said: what difference does storage make with a recently renewed ticket someone failed to do their job again resulting in more loss of life I would of thought looking at the family set up, professional people , new jobs and a young family seemingly everything to live for, also not known to police. What else could be done to ensure he was not a risk ?, anything could of set of events. Im not going to try and guess what it was that led to this tragedy. But for you to blame somebody for not doing their job ? Edited February 7, 2023 by mpmilo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted February 7, 2023 Report Share Posted February 7, 2023 It said on the news that the husband had been contacted about his licence in the days previous to the shooting. The police have reported themselves. Tragic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPhantom Posted February 7, 2023 Report Share Posted February 7, 2023 I read that the husband contacted the police himself to notify them of his new address, as you would do. Absolutely heartbreaking story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpmilo Posted February 7, 2023 Report Share Posted February 7, 2023 (edited) I thought it was new address. Edited February 7, 2023 by mpmilo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmicblue Posted February 7, 2023 Report Share Posted February 7, 2023 On the positive - at least it wasn't a shotgun. Tragic, pointless waste of lives nonetheless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPhantom Posted February 7, 2023 Report Share Posted February 7, 2023 7 minutes ago, Cosmicblue said: On the positive - at least it wasn't a shotgun. Tragic, pointless waste of lives nonetheless. Has this been confirmed? I thought it was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted February 7, 2023 Report Share Posted February 7, 2023 43 minutes ago, mpmilo said: I would of thought looking at the family set up, professional people , new jobs and a young family seemingly everything to live for, also not known to police. What else could be done to ensure he was not a risk ?, anything could of set of events. Im not going to try and guess what it was that led to this tragedy. But for you to blame somebody for not doing their job ? Indeed so. If someone's kept their mental health struggles hidden, there's very little that can be done to investigate. I've lost track of the number of people who've said they never saw it coming when a family member commits suicide. Tragically, sometimes it's just too well hidden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bottletopbill Posted February 7, 2023 Report Share Posted February 7, 2023 No one is to blame but the idiot who pulled the trigger. Who knows why he did it but to kill your own kid and how can the police tell he was going to do this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted February 7, 2023 Report Share Posted February 7, 2023 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Cosmicblue said: On the positive - at least it wasn't a shotgun. I'm not sure that is the case and it is immaterial really anyway- as far as the public is concerned, a gun is a gun. Where it is a licensed gun, it is reasonable to ask "Should he have held a license?" The license may well have been granted after all due processes were followed to the letter (I have certainly heard no suggestion otherwise) - but clearly something happened for some reason that sparked this tragic incident. The license about which he spoke with the Police was (apparently) a shotgun 'license' https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11722159/Police-probe-Epsom-College-head-killed-husband-murder-suicide.html 36 minutes ago, Cosmicblue said: Tragic, pointless waste of lives nonetheless. Indeed. Edited February 7, 2023 by JohnfromUK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted February 7, 2023 Report Share Posted February 7, 2023 2 hours ago, mpmilo said: I would of thought looking at the family set up, professional people , new jobs and a young family seemingly everything to live for, also not known to police. What else could be done to ensure he was not a risk ?, anything could of set of events. Im not going to try and guess what it was that led to this tragedy. But for you to blame somebody for not doing their job ? current climate of gun lunacy any change of circumstance is red flag for a quick check especially when the family made it know a “big change has taken place” had they done so would we be here now? who knows because yet again it’s to late Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmicblue Posted February 7, 2023 Report Share Posted February 7, 2023 Every death delivered by a gun in the UK whether held legally or otherwise feels like another nail in the coffin for shooting sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 7, 2023 Report Share Posted February 7, 2023 Absolutely awful! I just can’t imagine ( nor do I ever want to ) what state of mind someone has to be in to consider that killing your wife and child is a ‘way out’! Even if she’d said she was leaving and taking his child, just what goes on in a mind to contemplate that killing your own kid is a solution? I can only assume it happened on the spur of the moment rather than planned, but who knows? Just too awful for words. 1 hour ago, clangerman said: current climate of gun lunacy any change of circumstance is red flag for a quick check especially when the family made it know a “big change has taken place” had they done so would we be here now? who knows because yet again it’s to late Good grief! It was a podcast for crying out loud! She was telling students in a podcast about the ‘big change’ regarding the move; not exactly sinister or a cry for help is it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkey Posted February 7, 2023 Report Share Posted February 7, 2023 Not knowing the state of the killers mind at that moment in time What if he had no access to a gun and not been a licence holder what’s to say he wouldn’t have used a knife, cricket bat ,poison , axe etc instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted February 7, 2023 Report Share Posted February 7, 2023 6 hours ago, rbrowning2 said: may be, may be not the police are not necessarily coming out on top at these very sad and tragic incidents, they looked liked a loving family with professional well paid jobs, such a loss of life to happen the question must be why. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-64547027 Notwithstanding this very tragic incident the occurrence is still logged as a firearm incident and the total therefore increased? The why will probably never be known? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Neal Posted February 7, 2023 Report Share Posted February 7, 2023 Kiss your rifles goodbye everyone................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted February 7, 2023 Report Share Posted February 7, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Mice! said: It said on the news that the husband had been contacted about his licence in the days previous to the shooting. The police have reported themselves. Tragic. Police only confirmed a change of address. Normal. 10 minutes ago, Jim Neal said: Kiss your rifles goodbye everyone................. Was it a rifle, or a shotgun? I’ve not seen anything other than a legally held firearm. Edited February 7, 2023 by Fisheruk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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