Dangerous Guns?

[JKD]

5 minutes ago, Old Boggy said:

Yep, Peter Jones was a keeper.

Think it was either Essex or Hertfordshire.

After a quick Google search, it appears it was in Herts 🫡

[Mfozz]

Looks as though they’ve all been told to carry their gun in a different way…. Probably an attempt to make the shot look more interesting.

 Yet in reality on most shoots, the majority of people would have their gun open hanging over their forearm. 

[Miserableolgit]

1 hour ago, Old Boggy said:

Yep, Peter Jones was a keeper.

Think it was either Essex or Hertfordshire.

Yep, Hertfordshire, close to the M25. 

[old'un]

46 minutes ago, Mfozz said:

Looks as though they’ve all been told to carry their gun in a different way…. Probably an attempt to make the shot look more interesting.

 Yet in reality on most shoots, the majority of people would have their gun open hanging over their forearm. 

Driven days I have been on the guns put their guns in the slip when walking to the next drive.

[marsh man]

42 minutes ago, old'un said:

Driven days I have been on the guns put their guns in the slip when walking to the next drive.

Yes , I think you will find that is norm on most of the shoots nowadays , we have a fair size army lorry that have been converted to a shooting wagon with a canopy over the back , in the back of the wagon is a gun rack and t b h the guns themselves are far safer if they are put in the rack in the sleeves , last year the conditions were very wet with deep rutts down some of the lanes we had to go down and in the ten years or so I drove the guns about I can honestly say I never got stuck , that ole lorry will go just about anywhere , I was close at times but I still managed to get out , if the guns were un sleeved in the rack they could easily get marked or at worse get thrown about even though a safety cord would normally keep them all in place , we couldn't park to close to the pegs so those who were shooting had to carry there guns to whatever number peg they were on , the sleeves were normally put on the peg to keep them clean and once the drive was over they are then re sleeved , my boss is only in his low 50s and as fit as a fiddle , the drive after dinner is normally near the hall and within walking distance so his fellow guns find it easier to sleeve the guns , put over the shoulder and use there hands to try and control there not so perfectly trained dogs 

[Mfozz]

2 hours ago, old'un said:

Driven days I have been on the guns put their guns in the slip when walking to the next drive.

Yes you’re right, I’ve done that too on more formal shoots.  Definitely not like in that picture, that’s for sure! 

[Old farrier]

Very badly scripted 

perhaps actors can’t afford a man to carry their pair of guns to the pegs along with their cartridges 🤔

[Miserableolgit]

Finally read the complete piece on Scribehound and managed to stay awake this time. Not one of the best articles but I'm not really the Jilly Cooper sort. As to the photo, it has all been said.

[ShootingEgg]

I am watching the episode of rivals now, I came in from a mates larder to see my other half watching it.. when walking in the scene that still is from, B b b bird is the word was being played. It is a complete **** take and joke. So take of the photo what you will but in the actual TV show it is just one big comedy scene.

[Robden]

The problem is, some people see this and believe that this is the way to behave, (it's on TV, so must be true).

[HantsRob]

Genuine question, do people use cartridge belts on these days? I thought most people just use pockets.

I can see it would be good to have some higher power carts for some high birds in a set place, rather than loose in a bag?

[Scully]

1 hour ago, HantsRob said:

Genuine question, do people use cartridge belts on these days? I thought most people just use pockets.

I can see it would be good to have some higher power carts for some high birds in a set place, rather than loose in a bag?

It’s very rare I use a belt nowadays, but some use them on mixed drives where duck require non toxic. 

[Penelope]

On 20/10/2024 at 11:45, Dog-**** said:

Looks like a Guy Ritchie production 

On 20/10/2024 at 13:52, Old Boggy said:

Yep, Peter Jones was a keeper.

Think it was either Essex or Hertfordshire.

South Mimms, Herts, where the A1 meets the M25.

[PeterHenry]

1 hour ago, HantsRob said:

Genuine question, do people use cartridge belts on these days? I thought most people just use pockets.

I can see it would be good to have some higher power carts for some high birds in a set place, rather than loose in a bag?

I do, but it depends on the type of shooting.

Walked up / wildfowling - yes.

Driven - no

Edited October 22 by PeterHenry

[enfieldspares]

2 hours ago, HantsRob said:

Genuine question, do people use cartridge belts on these days? I thought most people just use pockets.

I can see it would be good to have some higher power carts for some high birds in a set place, rather than loose in a bag?

I'v alwys loaded from a pocket and still do and still will. But anything beyond the fifteen or ten in each pocket. What to do?

I've never liked cartridge belts as the was always that brass buckle wanting to attack your gunstock and gouge furrows into it. And the leather to go nasty and "funky". I always used three cartridge bags. All Brady and all pigskin. Never a leather and brass buckle cartridge belt.

Two of the 150 size and one of the 100 size. I'd take one x 150 and the 1 x 100 on a day that I'd decant seventy five cartridges in at the start of the first drive and then top up from the 150 size one in the guns transport between drives.

But nowadays with nylon plastic click buckles and cordura belts I have revised my opinion and use two that I purchased from eBay that are these modern materials. And I am not shooting two hundred bird days. So I wear one of the belts and take the 100 size bag that stays on the guns transport.

So why the change? The gun belt allows me to put six bismuth cartridges into one end of it for when duck are expected. I still load from my pocket and the cartridge belt I take off and lay on the ground before the drive starts or hand from the peg marker stake. So with the small days I now shoot a belt is better.

Alas if I could though I get one of the now seldom seen canvas Brady 25 size bags I use that instead. Had one once and sold it. I wish I had not! So the belt is used like a bag. That is I don't wear it when stood on a peg only when moving between pegs...it has become a substitute for that sold 25 size bag.

[enfieldspares]

On 20/10/2024 at 16:28, old'un said:

Driven days I have been on the guns put their guns in the slip when walking to the next drive.

Sad that and part of the "craic" was always discussing which gun others had brought with them today. Was it the annual outing for father's old gun, or the one they got at auction for £25, or the 20 bore. Or the Purdey. On one shoot we even had a "Brummie" day where the guns had to use Birmingham made guns and the Boxing Day shoot was always a walk around and bring something "different" such as a hammer gun, or an interesting non-ejector or similar. It is a disappointment that today seems merely to be a walking catalogue for the gunslip company's products.

I am sorry to say cartridge belts always reminded me of this. Which is why even from being a child and first learning about shooting that I had such a low opinion of them and the personal character of the people that wore them. It was a prejudice that was often correct though.

 

Edited October 22 by enfieldspares

[Fil]

On 20/10/2024 at 11:03, claydodger said:

Was there a production team or director, the two on the the left look like terrorists, the little guy at the back can't act, the fat guy in red looks very dangerous, the other guy at the back with the grimace looks like he's trapped something, as for the other two they look as though they are away with the fairies.

Bad show alltogether.

Yeah... not a good look at all is it? 

[hushpower]

Staged

[The Mighty Prawn]

As has been said this is from a scene in Rivals and all the characters are portrayed as horrible people so don’t worry about it gents, just as Fast and Furious isn’t a documentary about good driving habits I don’t think viewers will take this as a realistic view of shooting

[old'un]

9 hours ago, The Mighty Prawn said:

As has been said this is from a scene in Rivals and all the characters are portrayed as horrible people so don’t worry about it gents, just as Fast and Furious isn’t a documentary about good driving habits I don’t think viewers will take this as a realistic view of shooting

I would not be so sure about that….a lot of people believe the rubbish Packham and Country File put out.

[steve s×s]

On 20/10/2024 at 12:27, Scully said:

It’s not a real shooting party. They’re actors. 

Common sense at last 

[old'un]

1 hour ago, steve s×s said:

Common sense at last 

 ... I think most already gathered that but that's not the issue.

 

[Old farrier]

On 22/10/2024 at 11:07, enfieldspares said:

I'v alwys loaded from a pocket and still do and still will. But anything beyond the fifteen or ten in each pocket. What to do?

I've never liked cartridge belts as the was always that brass buckle wanting to attack your gunstock and gouge furrows into it. And the leather to go nasty and "funky". I always used three cartridge bags. All Brady and all pigskin. Never a leather and brass buckle cartridge belt.

Two of the 150 size and one of the 100 size. I'd take one x 150 and the 1 x 100 on a day that I'd decant seventy five cartridges in at the start of the first drive and then top up from the 150 size one in the guns transport between drives.

But nowadays with nylon plastic click buckles and cordura belts I have revised my opinion and use two that I purchased from eBay that are these modern materials. And I am not shooting two hundred bird days. So I wear one of the belts and take the 100 size bag that stays on the guns transport.

So why the change? The gun belt allows me to put six bismuth cartridges into one end of it for when duck are expected. I still load from my pocket and the cartridge belt I take off and lay on the ground before the drive starts or hand from the peg marker stake. So with the small days I now shoot a belt is better.

Alas if I could though I get one of the now seldom seen canvas Brady 25 size bags I use that instead. Had one once and sold it. I wish I had not! So the belt is used like a bag. That is I don't wear it when stood on a peg only when moving between pegs...it has become a substitute for that sold 25 size bag.

Like these?

[ditchman]

cartridge belts damage your stock over time.....

[London Best]

3 hours ago, ditchman said:

cartridge belts damage your stock over time.....

Yeah, about five minutes.

Edited October 23 by London Best