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Bloody hell, the longest I have had to wait for anything with my licence was my initial grant as a first time licence holder over 20 years ago. I had to wait 6 months and that wait was put down to NI moving from hand written letters etc to filling out forms.

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4 minutes ago, wymberley said:

Judging by their website it suggests that it's taken some 3 years to realise that they may have made some mistakes and want to find out before anything hits the fan.

Didn't pick up on that on the first read but you may well be right. The mention of Plymouth, more robust procedures, and "assessing the suitability of those already in possession".

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5 hours ago, clangerman said:

might be down to the top two at Gloucestershire getting the boot recently 

If it is a simple as that then that is terrible.

 

In Cambs they will not pay a fair wage and expect people to already have a pension to justify the low wage.

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As someone who submitted my application for sgc 10 months ago, i find this deeply frustrating to hear  I may have to wait a further 2 years!  I presume glos police won't mind a contribution to the cost of me having to pay for a member of staff  at the local shooting range to accompany me weekly for another two years!

Meanwhile a friend under Avon and Somerset police applied for sgc in September and had his home visit last week,  hard to fathom how there can be such difference between police forces in this day and age

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Welcome to Pigeon Watch.

 

It is a great shame that each and every single Firearms Licensing Department are allowed to interpret the Home Office guidance in a way to suit themselves.

 

It would be much better if they had to follow fixed instructions without the ability to decide how to do things and how long they can delay the process.

 

I am quite sure that there is also an element of "if they take too long, some people will withdraw their application" about the whole set up.

 

Good luck in your quest for your SGC, can I politely suggest you write to your Chief Constable and your PCC in order to ask for an explanation?

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Something is 'going on' in Gloucestershire Constabulary (my neighbouring force) and the Chief Constable and other seniors (inc his Deputy CC?) have been suspended by the Police and Crime Commissioner.  Not sure what is going on, but there appears to be a lot of heavy internal politics (and very little policing).  Understandably (with the leadership in turmoil), there are said to be both morale and recruitment problems

https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/gloucester-news/civic-chiefs-kept-dark-nine-9686948

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Thanks @mossy835and @Gordon R

BASC has been briefing all Gloucestershire MPs and asking them to raise the matter with the new Chief Constable and the PCC. Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown MP, a vice-president of BASC, is meeting the Chief Constable today to raise the issue. We have also protested to the PCC. We have informed the Home Office that a statutory function is not being discharged and have asked that the Policing Minister is informed. The matter will also be raised at a Gloucestershire stakeholders' meeting. Today we have emailed all members in Gloucestershire encouraging them to write to their MP and the PCC.

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4 minutes ago, Conor O'Gorman said:

Thanks @mossy835and @Gordon R

BASC has been briefing all Gloucestershire MPs and asking them to raise the matter with the new Chief Constable and the PCC. Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown MP, a vice-president of BASC, is meeting the Chief Constable today to raise the issue. We have also protested to the PCC. We have informed the Home Office that a statutory function is not being discharged and have asked that the Policing Minister is informed. The matter will also be raised at a Gloucestershire stakeholders' meeting. Today we have emailed all members in Gloucestershire encouraging them to write to their MP and the PCC.

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33 minutes ago, Conor O'Gorman said:

Thanks @mossy835and @Gordon R

BASC has been briefing all Gloucestershire MPs and asking them to raise the matter with the new Chief Constable and the PCC. Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown MP, a vice-president of BASC, is meeting the Chief Constable today to raise the issue. We have also protested to the PCC. We have informed the Home Office that a statutory function is not being discharged and have asked that the Policing Minister is informed. The matter will also be raised at a Gloucestershire stakeholders' meeting. Today we have emailed all members in Gloucestershire encouraging them to write to their MP and the PCC.

Well done BASC. :good:

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Thank you @turtle57

We have today emailed members in the Cheltenham constituency encouraging them to contact MP Max Wilkinson on the back of his reply to BASC's letter stating “Thank you for your recent correspondence. I am aware that this issue has been raised with the constabulary. If I am in receipt of any correspondence from constituents I will, naturally, raise those cases through the appropriate channels.”
 
If anyone reading this lives in the Cheltenham constituency please email Mr Wilkinson at max.wilkinson.mp@parliament.uk and ask him to raise this issue with the PCC and Chief Constable.

Background:

On 4 November Gloucestershire Police announced on their website that due to resourcing issues they would cease processing new applications for grants of shotgun and firearms certificates. They would continue to process applications that had already been submitted but applicants should expect these to take a minimum of two years.

This decision is seriously damaging for shooting in Gloucestershire. Not only does it act as a barrier to participation, but it will reduce the economic benefits of shooting to the many businesses that normally benefit. It is outrageous that the police, who have a legal responsibility to provide licensing, should suspend the function. There would be outrage if this was done for passports or driving licences.

BASC immediately wrote to the Police and Crime Commissioner (PCC) and all Gloucestershire MPs pointing out that firearms licensing is a statutory function and asking them to take the matter up with the interim Chief Constable to ensure proper resourcing of firearms licensing.

Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown MP, the member for North Cotswolds, saw the Chief Constable the next day to raise the issue, and a further meeting is being arranged at which BASC will be present. But it is still important that all Gloucestershire MPs take this matter up with the PCC and the police.

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