Lloyd90 Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 Need to fit a new cabinet and have read on another thread someone recommending coach bolts for the cabinet. These ones came with my cabinet and are about 4" long, the wall is an exterior wall and seems pretty solid. (Will also be inside a cupboard. Do they look up to the job? How do I check what size drill but they'll be as I don't want to mess up the holes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aga man Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 (edited) Measure the diameter of a drill bit against the plugs probably 8 or 10 mm. Those bolt may be sufficient but these would be better IMO. Rawl Bolts Edited November 6, 2016 by aga man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisdom Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 I preferred the rawlboats (pictured) Far more secure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty99 Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 The ones Aga man suggested are slightly better, but the ones that came with safe will do the job. Make sure the drill bit is slightly on the small size to get a tight fit. A good tip given to me by my FEO is to add a large circumference washer so the safe can't be so easily crow barred over the top the nuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenlivet Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 Mine are secured with Rawl bolts, FEO checked the bolts when I first moved back to Cheshire. They require (so I was told) Rawl bolts in this neck of the woods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 Is the size of the plugs not stamped on them? It usually is. Must admit if I was going into block or stone I'd use the rawl bolts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 The fail safe way both with respect to hole size and substrate is to use resin anchors. 4 anchors and tube of resin about £10, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted November 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 The fail safe way both with respect to hole size and substrate is to use resin anchors. 4 anchors and tube of resin about £10, Will be moving out in around 10months ish so didn't want to leave too many marks. Will be hoping to unscrew and just fill/paint the holes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 Will be moving out in around 10months ish so didn't want to leave too many marks. Will be hoping to unscrew and just fill/paint the holes. Fair point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 All of this hyper security all boils down to the fact that you walk out with the piece in your hand or in a slip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 Measure the diameter of a drill bit against the plugs probably 8 or 10 mm. Those bolt may be sufficient but these would be better IMO. Rawl Bolts index.jpg PLUS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sako7mm Posted November 6, 2016 Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 Will be moving out in around 10months ish so didn't want to leave too many marks. Will be hoping to unscrew and just fill/paint the holes. Frame fixings (the ones used for fitting windows) are your friend in these circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted November 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2016 Frame fixings (the ones used for fitting windows) are your friend in these circumstances. How is that please mate ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted November 7, 2016 Report Share Posted November 7, 2016 Rawl Bolts if you are concerned about security - screws and plugs can be forced out but the more you force a Rawl - the harder it grips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted November 7, 2016 Report Share Posted November 7, 2016 From the pic/experience of what's supplied with the cabinet then I'm reckoning on a 10mm bit. What's the wall constructions it's going into? Rawlbolts if over tightened into porous brick, cinder block or airated blocks can have the tendency to split them- coach bolts would just spin and not overly damage the blocks--- in which case chemical is the way forward, can be easily be cut flush with an angle grinder when you leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novice cushie shooter Posted November 7, 2016 Report Share Posted November 7, 2016 I was in a similar position. I used 8" coach bolts into the wall studs and 3" into floor joists. Solid as a rock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sako7mm Posted November 7, 2016 Report Share Posted November 7, 2016 How is that please mate ? They're easy to unscrew, yet hold the cabinet firmly enough. Holes will be easy to fill and they won't blow the face off thermalite blocks like the Rawlbolts most people seem to think essential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet1747 Posted November 7, 2016 Report Share Posted November 7, 2016 What ever bolts you use if they want it they will rip it off the wall, I use bolts but I've also stck the back with silicone big mistake when we moved four years back made a right mess off the tiles and plaster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted November 7, 2016 Report Share Posted November 7, 2016 Thunder bolts are an option depending on the construction Hilti have some lovely little wedge anchors in M10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westward Posted November 7, 2016 Report Share Posted November 7, 2016 Thunder bolts are an option depending on the construction Thunder bolts are ideal in solid brick. Put 6 of those in and you could park JCB on the cabinet. And let's be honest, a crook will have to cut the cabinet open with an angle grinder after forcing it off the wall so anyone with any sense would cut it whilst it's still bolted in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canis Posted November 7, 2016 Report Share Posted November 7, 2016 Op, the bolts supplied with your cabinet are not up to the job- was it a gdk one? - they are simply bolt headed screws and 10mm rawl plugs. will hold the cab on the wall but will provide little protection to being pried off the wall your options are rawl bolts or chemical fixings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
db135 Posted November 7, 2016 Report Share Posted November 7, 2016 A used thunder bolts as the house has them old red bricks that are as hard as bell metal drilled four holes smaller than the bolts and they just cut there way in as you screw them in toolstation sell them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wb123 Posted November 7, 2016 Report Share Posted November 7, 2016 I would absolutely use the bolts that came with it. I used expanders last time and it was a sod when the time came to move. I couldnt get the last of the studs out but mercifully the landlord didn't inspect the inside of the relevant cupboard. This time i used expanding bolts again but tiny ones and big repair washers, in the hope they will budge when its time to hit the road again. My FEO was very reasonable about this. Next time I will be using ones like yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbob Posted November 7, 2016 Report Share Posted November 7, 2016 I prefer using Rawl Bolts. Once tightened properly cabinet is going no where. I know they leave quite a hole once you extract them but fill it filler, paint over and no one should be the wiser. To be honest when I moved recently I pulled the bolt part out of the wall and left it for the new owner to fill. Even re-used the old bolts in my new house as the bolts came out un damaged and where perfectly ok to retighten in new holes. Cabinet is as tight on the wall as ever!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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