matone Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Budice said: OK thanks for info. I'll dig it out over the weekend and post some pics, see if anyone knows who would have made it. Bit of searching seems to suggest Armas Erbi of Elgiobar were the makers .They went down in the Diarm fiasco. Hth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budice Posted February 14, 2019 Report Share Posted February 14, 2019 53 minutes ago, matone said: Bit of searching seems to suggest Armas Erbi of Elgiobar were the makers .They went down in the Diarm fiasco. Hth. Thank you, a qiock google and it does indeed look like my old blunderbuss could have been made by them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNKS Posted February 15, 2019 Report Share Posted February 15, 2019 (edited) Hi. Do any of you chappies know when LE Personne & co London gunshop ceased trading? I have been trying to trace the history my new Armas Garbi shotgun and I now know it was a bespoke order from Le Personne London in 1976. I have found that this company dealt in just about everything as far back as the 1920s but cant see when they ceased trading. Any help please. Edited February 15, 2019 by DUNKS addition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted February 15, 2019 Report Share Posted February 15, 2019 They were still importers for FN Browning in 1979.If you could find out when Browning UK was formed ,that would probably coincide with Lepersonne`s demise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNKS Posted February 15, 2019 Report Share Posted February 15, 2019 1 hour ago, matone said: They were still importers for FN Browning in 1979.If you could find out when Browning UK was formed ,that would probably coincide with Lepersonne`s demise. Good lead thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si.F Posted February 16, 2019 Report Share Posted February 16, 2019 Hi Decided to take the plunge and purchase a SBS really just to try, what a revelation!! got a 1986 Spanish import (sorry photos not brilliant but wanted to share as brings a smile every time I go shooting with it) I only use for clays but shoot better than with my 525, my youngest was impressed, got him a 13" stock Baikal 43EM, made 1986 English proofed 1988 and loves it, fits perfectly And yes they are both "Bosher" bargains both cost a tenth of my 525 (which now probably going to get rid of, as dont use!) - an absolute gent who also fixed my other boys Berreta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted February 19, 2019 Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 On 14/02/2019 at 20:36, Budice said: OK thanks for info. I'll dig it out over the weekend and post some pics, see if anyone knows who would have made it. Might be Gorasable . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackD032 Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 Hi there, I’ve been lurking on the forum for a while and now that I’ve bought my first ever side by side I thought I’d say hello. I bought this absolutely mint Aya no.4 De Luxe in 12g from a friend who’s upgraded to a matching pair of Churchill’s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dipper Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 Best quality box lock .Nice Wood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 Very nice gun that ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diver One Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 Hi been trying to register on here for weeks but my email server ate all the confirmation e mails so had to set up new account. anyway I.m here now.....I will go on the ntroductions page later but just stumbled across this SBS group does anybody know anything about Carr Bros of Huddersfield SBSs?......I am trying to date it and thought I had it to 1928 but a gunsmith at the show last Friday took a look at the pics and thought more like 1880/1910 it is in Farm Fresh condition with some light pitting to the outside of the barrels.....the bores are spotless and it shoots well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Boggy Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) According to Nigel Brown's British Gunmakers Vol 2 -: Carr Brothers, Cloth Hall Street, Huddersfield, Yorks c.1878, 4 Cloth Hall Street c1883-c97, Chancery Lane c1901, 3a Market St. c1905-c13. Had the address been on the top rib, this would have narrowed it down a bit. If you can put up a photo of the proof marks, perhaps someone on here may be able to advise further. Welcome to pigeon watch. OB Edited February 22, 2019 by Old Boggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 Send it to demonwolf444 on this forum - then find something soft to fall on when it comes back - he can make that look stunning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 Unusual to see the oval in the comb of the stock welcome to the forum all the best of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, Old farrier said: Unusual to see the oval in the comb of the stock welcome to the forum all the best of Not seen one there before! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzicat Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 Hope you used black powder shells, looks non nitro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackD032 Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 15 hours ago, dipper said: Best quality box lock .Nice Wood 11 hours ago, matone said: Very nice gun that ! Thanks, yes it’s a stunner and I know it’s history. Bought new in 1977 from Chichester Armoury and spent most of the next 40 years in a cabinet. Sold to an rfd when the chap died and bought by my friend who hadn’t got round to using it. He sold it to me when he bought his Churchill’s. It looks and feels like a new gun. My plan is to get a few hundred cartridges through it on the clays, then it’ll be my pigeon gun and used on beaters days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 16 hours ago, JackD032 said: I bought this absolutely mint Aya no.4 De Luxe in 12g from a friend who’s upgraded to a matching pair of Churchill’s. I have seen it said that the BQBL is the nicest handling of all AyA's models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackD032 Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 Just now, JohnfromUK said: I have seen it said that the BQBL is the nicest handling of all AyA's models. Is the model a de Luxe or a BQBL, I’ve seen it referred to as both? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 I may well be wrong on this, but I think in the UK it is usually the "Best Quality Boxlock" and some other markets the "No 4 Deluxe" and they are the same, but I may not be right on that. I guess if you email ASI (the importers) they would confirm or explain. They are nice guns, and sometimes come with assisted opening (which ups the weight a bit) and nearly always have 27" barrels (as opposed to the 28" most common on No1 and No 2). Like all 'better' AyAs, they could be ordered with various options, so there are some different spec's around, however the majority were 'off the shelf'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 4 hours ago, Old Boggy said: According to Nigel Brown's British Gunmakers Vol 2 -: Carr Brothers, Cloth Hall Street, Huddersfield, Yorks c.1878, 4 Cloth Hall Street c1883-c97, Chancery Lane c1901, 3a Market St. c1905-c13. Had the address been on the top rib, this would have narrowed it down a bit. If you can put up a photo of the proof marks, perhaps someone on here may be able to advise further. Welcome to pigeon watch. OB Peter Dyson now owns the name ,I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackpowder Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 15 hours ago, Diver One said: Hi been trying to register on here for weeks but my email server ate all the confirmation e mails so had to set up new account. anyway I.m here now.....I will go on the ntroductions page later but just stumbled across this SBS group does anybody know anything about Carr Bros of Huddersfield SBSs?......I am trying to date it and thought I had it to 1928 but a gunsmith at the show last Friday took a look at the pics and thought more like 1880/1910 it is in Farm Fresh condition with some light pitting to the outside of the barrels.....the bores are spotless and it shoots well What type of firing pin is this? Is it concealed in the nipple, or is what looks like a nipple the actual firing pin? Blackpowder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNKS Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 Quote Striker I wondered that too. be interesting to hear just how it works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 6 hours ago, Blackpowder said: What type of firing pin is this? Is it concealed in the nipple, or is what looks like a nipple the actual firing pin? Blackpowder I reckon it is the striker (firing pin)....usually held in place with a grub screw? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diver One Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 14 minutes ago, panoma1 said: I reckon it is the striker (firing pin)....usually held in place with a grub screw? Yep flat face of hammer hits loose retained pin that then moves in the nipple I will try to get some better pics tomorrow....no point now as Mr Merlot has just come a knockin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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