krugerandsmith Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 Is it time to get rid of this shower of unelected people and demand that our vote on Brexit is honoured? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 Here's a petition if interested. https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/209433 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 Get rid of? no. Drastically reform it? yes. Here's what I'd do. Reduce numbers MASSIVELY. I'd have it at say 30% of the number of MP's at Westminster. That'd give 195 at the moment. Of that, I'd have 20 life peers, because longevity and consistency do give foundation. I'd make it elected, either by the electorate or potentially by the Commons - even if it's a case of proposal by parties followed by a free vote I'd find a way to make it as intellectually elite as possible, not to keep privilege, but to have a House where the best and the brightest minds are debating issues. I wouldn't care what accent the person had, or his skin colour, or anything like that, so long as their mind was razor sharp and could take debate beyond what regular chaps could see. I'd stop them being just handed out to anyone. I appreciate having Lords in from all walks of life and experience is useful, and I can see why someone like Tanni Grey Thompspn is a useful lady to have in there, but the likes of Andrew Llyod Webber? Really? He never shows up anyway! Oh and I'd make it compulsory. If you're a Lord, you show up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 The simplest way to reduce numbers would be to make it a pro bono appointment - so no daily dip in the trough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 (edited) For fun, I just looked up voting records. From April 2013 to today, Lloyd Webber's voted on things 15 times. Tanni Grey Thompson's voted 16 times this year alone. Lloyd Webber's been in The Lords 14 years longer and has voted 42 times Since 2001 (public records only go back this far). Grey Thompson's voted 280 times since entering in 2010. And she's only got a voting record of 40%, although I guess that's a bit better than Lloyd Webber's 2%! Edited May 1, 2018 by chrisjpainter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFC Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 Oh the irony!! Part of the reason I voted leave was because of the 1975 betrayal when we were asked to vote on a common market but were led like Lambs to the slaughter into a European Parliament which is governed by an unelected commission. The referendum was my chance to have a vote against being governed by an unelected commission. Hey ho! my democratic wish is now dependent upon an unelected house holding sway over our elected representatives! Sack the lot of 'em!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 Just now, KFC said: Oh the irony!! Part of the reason I voted leave was because of the 1975 betrayal when we were asked to vote on a common market but were led like Lambs to the slaughter into a European Parliament which is governed by an unelected commission. The referendum was my chance to have a vote against being governed by an unelected commission. Hey ho! my democratic wish is now dependent upon an unelected house holding sway over our elected representatives! Sack the lot of 'em!!! hello, what a great idea KFC and agree on the 1975 vote, i think if that had been a big NO we would not have all the problems that have plagued our country since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 59 minutes ago, KFC said: Oh the irony!! Part of the reason I voted leave was because of the 1975 betrayal when we were asked to vote on a common market but were led like Lambs to the slaughter into a European Parliament which is governed by an unelected commission. The referendum was my chance to have a vote against being governed by an unelected commission. Hey ho! my democratic wish is now dependent upon an unelected house holding sway over our elected representatives! Sack the lot of 'em!!! All true, and yes ,sack the lot of them, but is that even possible ? Dont forget, it wasnt the EU in 75, it was the EEC or common market, which didnt seem to be a bad idea at the time.. The simple fact of the matter is , we are where we are now due to the stealth and collusion of British and European politicians since then. And who are we 'trusting' to extract us from this mire ? Thats right, British and European politicians ! A lot of them, and this includes the lords, would quite happily completely ignore the Brexit vote, and keep us in. They have NO RESPECT for democracy, they actively seek to curtail it. When you realise your vote is pretty worthless, you have to think of other ways to get your point across. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRDS Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 Don't sack them, hang them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 (edited) I wanted to be sure of my understanding of treason, and according to this some of them are comitting treason and wonder why they are allowed to get away with it: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/treason Are the Lords exempt from treason charges? Edited May 1, 2018 by Dave-G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 Thanks to newbie for the petition link, I have signed it, we need rid of these treasonous vermin, the other house is also full to bursting of those that want to see democracy undone, it's outrageous, why do they feel they should vote, the entire British public has already cast their vote, I'm actually at the point I'd welcome a second referendum, I beleive the result would now be so overwheming politics as we know it now would implode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tollerman Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 They have been talking about reforming the House of Lords for years and it's about time something was done .Have signed the petition in the hope of change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/209433/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 Signed. Was invited to discuss this with my local MP but there is nothing right nor honorable about Keith Vaz! I see its had 130K signatures so it apparently has to be discussed in Parliament but I reckon the best that will happen is they see how much it pees the electorate off but they'll likely brush it off in seconds as it counters their interests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martyn2233 Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 Signed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 Signed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mick miller Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 Me too! There has to be a better system to find members for an 'upper house' rather than having its members selected from palm greasers and chummy career politicians? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 How can you lot not think they are full value for the money? Just £300 per day to nip in, ruin our democratic vote and nip out the back door. Job done 10 minutes max. Unbelievable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krugerandsmith Posted May 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 1 hour ago, mick miller said: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/209433/ Signed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mick miller Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 I'm desperately trying to find my post, shortly after the Brexit vote, that stated that the political classes would never allow this decision to stand and would block, upset and prevent it happening by any means whatsoever. The replies came thick and fast that folk would riot. I think we would do better by simply abstaining from any future further involvement in the political process whatsoever. I know that, if this isn't delivered, I simply won't bother voting in future. The 'illusion' of democracy will have become absolute in my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houseplant Posted May 1, 2018 Report Share Posted May 1, 2018 Signed from NZ (I still can). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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