Scully Posted March 9, 2019 Report Share Posted March 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, henry d said: Do you smoke, take drugs, alcohol, live in an area that is polluted, sad news about your baby, the responsibility is yours and yours alone... I think you’re flogging a dead horse Henry d; no one cares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sako7mm Posted March 9, 2019 Report Share Posted March 9, 2019 (edited) I have read reports that the father of Begum attended a meeting with Anjem Choudray and Michael Adebowale. Anyone know the truth of this? If he held the same beliefs as that pair of venomous extremists why is the press not screaming from the rooftops to refute the lefties who are seeking to excuse her actions by making her out to be some sort of victim? Edited March 9, 2019 by Sako7mm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted March 9, 2019 Report Share Posted March 9, 2019 IMO she wilfully left a country that apparently gullibly treated and supported her as a child and skulked off to a country that considered and treated her as an adult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted March 9, 2019 Report Share Posted March 9, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, henry d said: Do you smoke, take drugs, alcohol, live in an area that is polluted, sad news about your baby, the responsibility is yours and yours alone... You have lost me, can we have that in plain English. Do you think she was thinking about the future and health of her children going to join a death cult in a foreign country, she certainly had no difficulty with supporting the murder of others children. As i said no one to blame only herself, other sanctimonious people will of course now cynical use the baby's death to try and score political points (Diane Abbott etc) and point scoring on internet forums. People like Diane Abbott who has no problem with hundreds of children being killed in UK abortion clinics every week. Edited March 9, 2019 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 Can't take the risk? In other words the population of Britain should be so scared of a 20 year old woman and her new-born infant that we need to ride roughshod over one of the foundations of international law, namely that states have a duty towards, and responsibility for, their citizens. 'Cowardice is the greatest sin of all' says the Master in Bulgakov's classic novel - Bulgakov having the insight to see that every other human failing stems from running away and deserting ones principles when under pressure. Well, this cowardice is going to come back and bite us. Firstly, how can we insist that other countries should take back their murderers rapists and thieves when we won't even take responsibility for a mother and her baby? You can keep 'em, we'll be told and we won't be able to say a damned thing in return. Secondly, everyone and his dog knows that if Begum had been white and had run off to join some violent and radical anarchist cult (equally hostile to our society as IS), there would have been no question at all of revoking her citizenship. So the message we are sending to every second generation immigrant is loud and clear. Despite being born here you're still second class citizens. How's that going to play when it comes to integration and collective loyalty. Bulgakov was right. From simple moral cowardice come all kinds of negative consequences. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 Im very glad that so far common sense appears to have prevailed in this instance, if she were allowed back she would be a danger to our country, whether that was by radicalising others, including her own children or a direct terrorist threat, I believe it would be almost impossible to deradicalise her at this point and even if it were theoretically possible, why take the risk with innocent UK lives, she's made her bed and she can lie in it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sako7mm Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 8 hours ago, Retsdon said: .....So the message we are sending to every second generation immigrant is loud and clear. Despite being born here you're still second class citizens. How's that going to play when it comes to integration and collective loyalty..... I would suggest that anyone, regardless of their background, seeking integration and collective loyalty would be best advised to avoid joining a murderous cult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 On 09/03/2019 at 10:42, Retsdon said: Because she was 15 when she made the choice from which her present circumstances stem. Why, for years and years, has it been deemed illegal to have sex with minors under 16? It's precisely because they are not deemed capable of making potentially life-changing decisions themselves.. An awful lot of EU countries have an age of consent lower than ours. It's 15 in France, and 14 in Germany, so by your reckoning had she come from one of these countries she would have been deemed an adult? On the subject of EU countries maybe one of the other 27 states would like to take her in... I mean we're all 'EU citizens' after all's said and done. I know this because it says so in the Maastricht Treaty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 Quote Secondly, everyone and his dog knows that if Begum had been white and had run off to join some violent and radical anarchist cult (equally hostile to our society as IS), there would have been no question at all of revoking her citizenship. So the message we are sending to every second generation immigrant is loud and clear. Despite being born here you're still second class citizens. A quantum leap in logic and a rather nasty assertion. Just when did race / colour / religion come into treasonable activities? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 what makes me laugh....is labour going on and on and on about she is not responsible for her actions because of her age.................and yet a while ago they were trying to get the voting age reduced down to ...was it 15 ?.....saying that young people of that age are mature enough to make political decisions to determine their future.............. they want to make their bloody mind up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 Labour will say or promise anything to get power. They are truly a shifty bunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 I think she should be welcomed back with open arms - maybe made a Dame? Really cannot understand everybody shouting off about not letting her come back and then when she loses her right to return we all bad mouth the Foreign Secretary - best decision he ever made. I DONT GIVE A POO ABOUT HER OR HER DEAD CHILD - she is responsible end of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 24 minutes ago, Gordon R said: Labour will say or promise anything to get power. They are truly a shifty bunch. Yep and they committed to honour the result of the referendum too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick miller Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 Never mind, I heard news that another baby was just born somewhere else, all is right with the world again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gordon R said: Labour will say or promise anything to get power. They are truly a shifty bunch. I don’t think it’s just Labour the whole lot of them in Westminster are snakes. Edited March 10, 2019 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 13 hours ago, Retsdon said: Can't take the risk? In other words the population of Britain should be so scared of a 20 year old woman and her new-born infant that we need to ride roughshod over one of the foundations of international law, namely that states have a duty towards, and responsibility for, their citizens. 'Cowardice is the greatest sin of all' says the Master in Bulgakov's classic novel - Bulgakov having the insight to see that every other human failing stems from running away and deserting ones principles when under pressure. Well, this cowardice is going to come back and bite us. Firstly, how can we insist that other countries should take back their murderers rapists and thieves when we won't even take responsibility for a mother and her baby? You can keep 'em, we'll be told and we won't be able to say a damned thing in return. Secondly, everyone and his dog knows that if Begum had been white and had run off to join some violent and radical anarchist cult (equally hostile to our society as IS), there would have been no question at all of revoking her citizenship. So the message we are sending to every second generation immigrant is loud and clear. Despite being born here you're still second class citizens. How's that going to play when it comes to integration and collective loyalty. Bulgakov was right. From simple moral cowardice come all kinds of negative consequences. . I don’t regard it as cowardice, simply common sense. She left the relative safety of the UK ( which I can only assume she didn’t regard as her own country ) to join an extremist terrorist organisation. Now that it’s all gone pear shaped for her she expects to come back, just like that. She wasn’t on holiday; she chose a side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 Just now, Scully said: I don’t regard it as cowardice, simply common sense. She left the relative safety of the UK ( which I can only assume she didn’t regard as her own country ) to join an extremist terrorist organisation. Now that it’s all gone pear shaped for her she expects to come back, just like that. She wasn’t on holiday; she chose a side. And she used her sisters passport to exit this country! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) I have quoted it before, one day the UK will learn & keep its nose out of the Middle East & leave the savages kill each other, it’s pointless us going on about refugees from Syria etc coming over to this country when we have turned there country inside out. LEAVE THEM SORT THERE OWN PROBLEMS OUT. As for that witch leave her rot out there. Edited March 10, 2019 by blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 hour ago, blackbird said: I have quoted it before, one day the UK will learn & keep its nose out of the Middle East & leave the savages kill each other, it’s pointless us going on about refugees from Syria etc coming over to this country when we have turned there country inside out. LEAVE THEM SORT THERE OWN PROBLEMS OUT. As for that witch leave her rot out there. dont be so harsh...................tecnikly if she had the right paperwork she could draw unemployment benifit over there and also have her child allowance backdated......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Ruler Posted March 10, 2019 Report Share Posted March 10, 2019 Other Jihadi brides have had their nationality stripped, I don’t know if they had kids or not, but why should she be treated any differently just because she’s well known. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saltings Posted March 11, 2019 Report Share Posted March 11, 2019 (edited) not many years ago would be treated as treason and put to death why should we have her back to live in prison at tax payers expense old saying you made your bed now lie in it Edited March 11, 2019 by Saltings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krugerandsmith Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 On 10/03/2019 at 14:16, mick miller said: Never mind, I heard news that another baby was just born somewhere else, all is right with the world again. On 10/03/2019 at 17:10, Mighty Ruler said: Other Jihadi brides have had their nationality stripped, I don’t know if they had kids or not, but why should she be treated any differently just because she’s well known. Did anyone actually see the baby? All that I ever saw was a bundle of rags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B725 Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 I thought the same the baby was never shown, you never heard it cry or murmer and it never appeared to be moving wriggling or owt. I cannot remember she even spoke to it or rocking it as most mum's would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 15, 2019 Report Share Posted April 15, 2019 Shamima Begum is on legal aid despite being stripped of UK citizenship: Fury as jihadi bride’s legal fees are paid by taxpayers. Just what I said weeks ago! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted April 15, 2019 Report Share Posted April 15, 2019 That's disgraceful, not a citizen so shouldn't get a sodding thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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