MirokuMK70 Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6726035/amp/Shotgun-Chef-court-using-rifle-kill-deer-east-London-park.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, miroku mk70 said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6726035/amp/Shotgun-Chef-court-using-rifle-kill-deer-east-London-park.html hello, one hopes he had all his firearm/s shotgun/s if any confiscated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 I really hope that name from Essex is a pure coincidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry2016 Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 lets not condemn the man, he has not been found guilty as yet.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 Surely he must know about the rules concerning a rifle in a public place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MirokuMK70 Posted February 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 Why take that risk? For most of us it would mean the end of our hobby... for him it must mean the end of his business... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 Almost beyond belief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 I hope none of you lot are on the jury if I ever end up in front of one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, bluesj said: I hope none of you lot are on the jury if I ever end up in front of one! You didn't realise? PigeonWatch is the jury... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quentyn Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 can someone summarize as i have read the article and i am confused is it that he said he shot them in a place he was authorized to but it was later believed that he shot them elsewhere ( where presumably he didnt have the rights to be) or is it that where he claimed to have shot them didnt have the rights to be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted February 21, 2019 Report Share Posted February 21, 2019 Hmmmmm???? Be interesting to see how that one pans out. Starts to get tricky...if a footpath runs through a wood does the wood become a public place? All sorts of spin off here for the antis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushandpull Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 The offence (Section 19 of the Firearms Act I believe) consists of having the firearm and suitable ammunition in a public place without lawful authority or reasonable excuse. This is obviously an important proviso. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) Apparantly, the word at one of my clubs which is not that far from the area where the incident happened is that he had permission on an estate adjacent to the park land but had strayed over the boundary. Edited February 22, 2019 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 I hope he gets away with a warning or a fine if that's the case. He was using the correct kind of rifle although it does mention he was out after a bonfire, which implies it was night time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Vince Green said: Apparantly, the word at one of my clubs which is not that far from the area where the incident happened is that he had permission on an estate adjacent to the park land but had strayed over the boundary. hello, is that not the case for trespass with a firearm ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 53 minutes ago, spandit said: I hope he gets away with a warning or a fine if that's the case. He was using the correct kind of rifle although it does mention he was out after a bonfire, which implies it was night time hello, do you think his notoriety as the shotgun chef, hunter,wildfowler, farmer, bee keeper, and restaurant owner will get him off or fine as you mentioned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piebob Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 35 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, is that not the case for trespass with a firearm ? I think it would be if it was private land, but seems to have strayed onto public land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, Piebob said: I think it would be if it was private land, but seems to have strayed onto public land. hello, ok well we will just have to see what happens in court ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 Maybe just maybe he shot the deer where he had permission and it went over the boundaries and he went to get it taking his rifle in case it wasn’t dead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 45 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, do you think his notoriety as the shotgun chef, hunter,wildfowler, farmer, bee keeper, and restaurant owner will get him off or fine as you mentioned? I would hope that the courts would take a reasonable and practical view regardless of his fame. He hasn't committed armed robbery, the likelihood is that he's made a mistake and strayed over a boundary, which aren't always clearly defined, or as Old Farrier said, maybe he was going to dispatch a deer that had crossed the boundary after being shot. A wounded fallow is potentially a very dangerous animal. Before condemning him to a custodial sentence, perhaps we should be in support of someone who participates in our pastime and may have made a mistake? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 minute ago, spanditsaid: I would hope that the courts would take a reasonable and practical view regardless of his fame. He hasn't committed armed robbery, the likelihood is that he's made a mistake and strayed over a boundary, which aren't always clearly defined, or as Old Farrier said, maybe he was going to dispatch a deer that had crossed the boundary after being shot. A wounded fallow is potentially a very dangerous animal. Before condemning him to a custodial sentence, perhaps we should be in support of someone who participates in our pastime and may have made a mistake? A very good and sensible post. Exactly my thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 On 21/02/2019 at 09:19, wymberley said: I really hope that name from Essex is a pure coincidence. The very same area as the restaurant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 16 minutes ago, Penelope said: The very same area as the restaurant. That's possibly not the family I was thinking of, but having said that I don't know what other interests they might have apart from the one I know about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) 18 hours ago, bluesj said: I hope none of you lot are on the jury if I ever end up in front of one! He discharged a firearm in a public place, would you say not guilty? Or atleast question why, he also didnt enter a plea, so doesn't sound like he denies wrong doing Edited February 22, 2019 by ShootingEgg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 22, 2019 Report Share Posted February 22, 2019 7 hours ago, ShootingEgg said: He discharged a firearm in a public place, would you say not guilty? Or atleast question why, he also didnt enter a plea, so doesn't sound like he denies wrong doing When the charge was read he made no comment. That's standard procedure. Whatever he said would have made no difference but it could have been twisted, mis- construed etc. Say nothing and reserve your defence for when it counts. Good advice The reporting of this has been emotive, salacious and down right inaccurate. Why let the truth get in the way of a good story? The police response has been heavy handed Does anybody ACTUALLY think that an experienced stalker with lots to lose (liberty, business and probably home, possibly marriage ) would have intentionally gone into "a public park" and shot a deer ? Because I for one don't believe a word of it as it has been reported Me? I cannot see it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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