oowee Posted March 28, 2020 Report Share Posted March 28, 2020 Very helpful @Retsdon Cutting my nails now lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted March 28, 2020 Report Share Posted March 28, 2020 (edited) Very informative thanks Rets. I have to say I'm rather concerned about the next flu jab come the time, I think I've read in the past they are based on three of the worst flu's in the far East. I Guess I'd best put on my tin foil hat again in readiness because I didn't research that.... Willing to be corrected though. Edited March 28, 2020 by Dave-G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted March 28, 2020 Report Share Posted March 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, Dave-G said: Willing to be corrected though. I think you are about right! I believe that the make up of the 'flu jab is chosen by the WHO on (3 or sometimes 4) variants of 'flu seen in approx February preceding the northern hemisphere cold season is used to make September's UK 'jab'. I think it is usually a combination of the most common variant and any variants seen that are viewed as particularly dangerous. Australia and NZ tend to get what was going on in the 'far east' in their previous cold season - and can be 6 months or so ahead of us. The official explanation for the NHS jab is here; https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/how-flu-vaccine-works/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRINITY Posted March 28, 2020 Report Share Posted March 28, 2020 Going back to the topic of death rates and infection rates. I really think there will be a massive regional variation. If the Lonfon figures were separated from the rest of England I believe London would look far worse. Wales,Scotland and N.I seem to be doing better due to London not skewing their numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted March 28, 2020 Report Share Posted March 28, 2020 27 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: I think you are about right! I believe that the make up of the 'flu jab is chosen by the WHO on (3 or sometimes 4) variants of 'flu seen in approx February preceding the northern hemisphere cold season is used to make September's UK 'jab'. I think it is usually a combination of the most common variant and any variants seen that are viewed as particularly dangerous. Australia and NZ tend to get what was going on in the 'far east' in their previous cold season - and can be 6 months or so ahead of us. The official explanation for the NHS jab is here; https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/how-flu-vaccine-works/ Thank you - can't help but wonder if the virus will sometimes be mistaken for flu and vica versa. I'm in more that one of the high risk categories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted March 28, 2020 Report Share Posted March 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, Dave-G said: I'm in more that one of the high risk categories. Join the club! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted March 28, 2020 Report Share Posted March 28, 2020 On the death rate, I think a great deal depends on the preparedness and depth of the health service involved. When medical staff are having to leave people die because of a lack of equipment then the death rate is bound to go up. It's also very traumatic for the staff involved -as evidenced by this clip from Spain. https://youtu.be/IXBkjOXiMvw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted March 28, 2020 Report Share Posted March 28, 2020 2 hours ago, JohnfromUK said: If you require a figure, my personal feeling is that getting above say 30,000 (UK) is concerning because it is exceeding the average annual flu toll (roughly 10 to 15 thousand annually) by a sizeable margin and exceeding the recent 'worst year' flu toll (2014/5 was estimated at 28,000). Didn't realise that sort of number normally die from flu, it explains the flu jab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted March 28, 2020 Report Share Posted March 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Mice! said: Didn't realise that sort of number normally die from flu, it explains the flu jab. https://fullfact.org/health/coronavirus-compare-influenza/ See about paragraph 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted March 28, 2020 Report Share Posted March 28, 2020 Currently listening to this podcast from the university of Massachusetts and finding it interesting. Some lockdown listening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted March 28, 2020 Report Share Posted March 28, 2020 8 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: https://fullfact.org/health/coronavirus-compare-influenza/ See about paragraph 6 Cheers. The USA’s Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) does publish estimates of the number of flu cases annually, including estimates for the number of hospitalisations and the number of deaths. The number of cases has ranged from nine million to 45 million a year, and the number of deaths ranged from 12,000 to 61,000. These figures suggest that over the past decade in the United States, the percentage of flu cases that resulted in hospitalisation has consistently been between 1% and 2%, and the percentage of cases that resulted in death has been between 0.1% and 0.2%. From the link, it's no wonder the USA is being so affected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docleo Posted March 28, 2020 Report Share Posted March 28, 2020 5 hours ago, Rewulf said: People die of illness every day, unless the big figures start rolling in , we are talking global over reaction here. Yes, in Italy they have to build new hospital every year for the flu... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted March 29, 2020 Report Share Posted March 29, 2020 "🎶 ring a ring a roses" "a pocket full of poses" "a-tishoo...-a-tishoo" "We all fall down "🎶 Deja - vous ..................................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 One of the better written articles explaining the reporting of infections and deaths. https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-to-understand-and-report-figures-for-covid-19-deaths-?fbclid=IwAR2aaAU7RfU4C9rVnVAV0H0LHPwvAY4sVW9K9_chT8eqv_fEcZ2cqXFEnQE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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henry d Posted March 31, 2020 Report Share Posted March 31, 2020 17 hours ago, AVB said: One of the better written articles explaining the reporting of infections and deaths. https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-to-understand-and-report-figures-for-covid-19-deaths-?fbclid=IwAR2aaAU7RfU4C9rVnVAV0H0LHPwvAY4sVW9K9_chT8eqv_fEcZ2cqXFEnQE Thanks for this, very informative, upbeat and hopefully close to the truth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strimmer_13 Posted March 31, 2020 Report Share Posted March 31, 2020 Hope the hantavirus don't come over. It's another lung virus I've just read Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted March 31, 2020 Report Share Posted March 31, 2020 59 minutes ago, strimmer_13 said: Hope the hantavirus don't come over. It's another lung virus I've just read Hmm, rodent disease - and guess where rodents are sold and eaten in wet markets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted April 1, 2020 Report Share Posted April 1, 2020 ... and plenty here who deal with them on a daily basis too. Just as easily transmitted by pest control, gamekeepers, or anyone else who goes in and around farms. 🐓 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted April 1, 2020 Report Share Posted April 1, 2020 Keeping in mind that funerals are likely to be necessarily very basic for the time being, anyone got any idea of how much we ought be be putting to one side to pay for our simple collection and cremation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted April 1, 2020 Report Share Posted April 1, 2020 28 minutes ago, Dave-G said: Keeping in mind that funerals are likely to be necessarily very basic for the time being, anyone got any idea of how much we ought be be putting to one side to pay for our simple collection and cremation? hello, thats sounding a bit gloomy Dave, not much change out of £2.500 for a basic one, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted April 1, 2020 Report Share Posted April 1, 2020 On 28/03/2020 at 14:13, Rewulf said: Im sure the drop in cases will be attributed to the lock down, here , there and everywhere. But we are assuming rather a lot there, maybe the vast majority dont have symptoms , or are very light . I had a really bad chest infection, cough and fever, the likes of which Ive never known,in january, as did many others, my lungs still arent right now, was it CV19 ? Like I say , until more are tested, there are many assumptions about transmission and lethality. If its HALF as bad as made out to be , every country in the world is going to have to locked down EVERY year. My suspicion is the whole thing is overblown, and in the next few weeks , this will become apparent. I hope the Nightingale remains empty .. and you're right. I hope the morgue's they're creating stay empty …. and you're right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted April 1, 2020 Report Share Posted April 1, 2020 8 minutes ago, Smokersmith said: I hope the Nightingale remains empty .. and you're right. I hope the morgue's they're creating stay empty …. and you're right. Me too mate, todays death count isnt good though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted April 1, 2020 Report Share Posted April 1, 2020 4 hours ago, henry d said: ... and plenty here who deal with them on a daily basis too. Just as easily transmitted by pest control, gamekeepers, or anyone else who goes in and around farms. 🐓 Totally incorrect, take a look at the Wuhan market before the outbreak. China has been warned several times of the risk of a disease jumping species and causing an outbreak many times before this happened, they then covered it up, causing untold numbers of deaths around the world by not giving countries time to prepare. China has alot to answer for with this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted April 1, 2020 Report Share Posted April 1, 2020 18 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: Totally incorrect, take a look at the Wuhan market before the outbreak. China has been warned several times of the risk of a disease jumping species and causing an outbreak many times before this happened, they then covered it up, causing untold numbers of deaths around the world by not giving countries time to prepare. China has alot to answer for with this! Chill pill. We were talking about hantavirus, so wind your neck in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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