Could you self isolate?

[Retsdon]

53 minutes ago, johnphilip said:

Just step out my front gate to this .

I doubt that you need to lock yourself away there to avoid the virus! I'm just a tad envious...

[stumfelter]

I've dug up the thresholds of my bungalow and buried garlic underneath.

[islandgun]

1 hour ago, johnphilip said:

Just step out my front gate to this .

What a cracking place, good mixed land, do you have shooting in the area.

I would be very happy self isolating but having two teens at home and the need to make a living, makes that impossible

[johnphilip]

28 minutes ago, islandgun said:

What a cracking place, good mixed land, do you have shooting in the area.

I would be very happy self isolating but having two teens at home and the need to make a living, makes that impossible

Its part of a big estate  they have pheasant shoots . But i help around lambing time when the lambs are young and crows about and around the  barns .

[lancer425]

3 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

This man knew how!

 

He did.

[12gauge82]

3 hours ago, stumfelter said:

I've dug up the thresholds of my bungalow and buried garlic underneath.

What are you expecting, vampires? 🤣

[The Heron]

I wish 

[Grandalf]

I could isolate quite happily.

Trouble is that I wont be able too.   I am a carer for my wife so it will be all the usual work and problems without the possibility of getting out for a couple of hours break now and then.

I am definitely not looking forward to the possibility. 

[Danger-Mouse]

6 hours ago, mick miller said:

I'm a massive introvert, so yes, no problem. 

This ^^

"Introverts of the world unite!

Seperately of course."

[grrclark]

1 hour ago, Mr_Nobody said:

This ^^

"Introverts of the world unite!

Seperately of course."

That made me laugh.

 

[39TDS]

Quite content to self isolate for as long as it takes. Wouldn't be much different to any other day.

[oldypigeonpopper]

8 hours ago, johnphilip said:

Just step out my front gate to this .

very nice view John

[oldypigeonpopper]

hello, there must be 1000s of over 70s who live on their own with no family to support them if this self isolation goes ahead, how will they get food and stuff, many do not use computers to order and pay online, i think if your a fit and healthy over 70 why stay at home ?

[Danger-Mouse]

40 minutes ago, grrclark said:

That made me laugh.

 

[ordnance]

6 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

hello, there must be 1000s of over 70s who live on their own with no family to support them if this self isolation goes ahead, how will they get food and stuff, many do not use computers to order and pay online, i think if your a fit and healthy over 70 why stay at home ?

To minimize your chance of getting the virus and possibly dying, would be one good reason. 

Edited March 15, 2020 by ordnance

[AULD YIN]

Just wondered what happens if the 70 year old  isolated persons licence is due for renewal or a visit from the FAO is due,now there could be a big problem.

[Retsdon]

2 hours ago, ordnance said:

To minimize your chance of getting the virus and possibly dying, would be one good reason. 

The problem is that the UK is following a maverick strategy. Every other country in the world is following World Health Organisation guidelines and China's example, and carrying out actions to try and minimize contact between people to break the chain of infection and thus reduce the number of people getting the virus. And as China and South Korea have proved, with enough will and resources it can work.

Not the exceptionalist UK though. The British government has decided instead to let the virus run its course in the hope - and it's only a hope at this stage- that people will eventually become immune to it.

And that is sending out mixed messages. So you have some people irrationally panic buying toilet roll, while at exactly the same time others travel from all over the country to cram themselves into a sweating crowd of thousands at the Bath half marathon. Because if the object is not to break the chain of infection, self-isolation then is no longer a public health matter. It's becomes a matter of personal choice instead.

A bit of a shambles all around really.

Edited March 16, 2020 by Retsdon

[enfieldspares]

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The British government has decided instead to let the virus run its course in the hope - and it's only a hope at this stage- that people will eventually become immune to it.

It has no option as ten years of a Tory Government has so underfunded the NHS that it cannot now function as it should to deal with this national emergency. Years ago we could have used all those beds as isolation wards in all the cottage hospitals that were closed.

But even before that if this crisis had come in the late 1980s I doubt we could have coped either. We could have used the redundant wards in all the old asylums before they were closed and sold off to the mantra of Thatcher's "care in the community". The NHS had enormous infrastructure assets in hospital facilities and so had a built in slack to be used in time of emergency. Those old tuberculosis hospitals are and example. All of it was disposed of to give tax cuts to Thatcher's cronies.

But it'd be wrong merely to berate the Tories. The closure of Haslar Hospital by Gordon Brown under Labour. Again a huge asset that could have been used today. All gone. Short term gain for what?

Edited March 16, 2020 by enfieldspares

[Retsdon]

It's too convenient to blame Thatcher - she was 3o years ago. What I want to know is how come South Korea can set up drive-through testing stations and yet the UK can't even test people presenting with copybook symptoms? 

It's not rocket science. If you can't or won't even test the symptomatic, then you're not going to know how widespread the virus actually is. And if you don't know how widespread it is, how on earth are you going to be able to plan or time any kind of response to it? Any measures you take will be just guesswork, or a sop to public opinion.

It's bordering on criminal negligence IMHO.

https://news.sky.com/video/obituaries-one-month-apart-show-the-drastic-rise-in-coronavirus-deaths-in-bergamo-11957768

Edited March 16, 2020 by Retsdon

[old man]

6 hours ago, ordnance said:

To minimize your chance of getting the virus and possibly dying, would be one good reason. 

We will make the best of it as usual but not enjoy it much?

Sounds like the policy here unlike most other countries for tackling this situation is to isolate us oldies and not provide medical treatment if/when illness strikes?

Wow what a convenient/timely way to reduce the population here?

A new political moral low maybe?

[TIGHTCHOKE]

18 minutes ago, old man said:

We will make the best of it as usual but not enjoy it much?

Sounds like the policy here unlike most other countries for tackling this situation is to isolate us oldies and not provide medical treatment if/when illness strikes?

Wow what a convenient/timely way to reduce the population here?

A new political moral low maybe?

not just here, across the planet.

[Robden]

This over 70s self isolation "for a long time" thingy?  If you go shopping to get food (rather than starve) and get caught, will you be arrested? And then what?!?

I dare say that there will be some elderly peeps, living alone, that will be worrying about getting supplies etc. Being told not to panic buy, will have the opposite effect.

 

[Sha Bu Le]

1 hour ago, old man said:

We will make the best of it as usual but not enjoy it much?

Sounds like the policy here unlike most other countries for tackling this situation is to isolate us oldies and not provide medical treatment if/when illness strikes?

Wow what a convenient/timely way to reduce the population here?

A new political moral low maybe?

Think of the savings on pensions 😷  However the inept millenials will start moaning when they find they can't manage without their elders

[WalkedUp]

Many “older people with underlying health conditions” are very active and working. My mother is 63, has recovered from two strokes, has angina and weak lungs and frequent pneumonia. However she still works part time and also often looks after my nieces and nephews. I imagine her chances would be bleak if she contracted the virus however the economic effect of losing people like this will still be felt. Those saying it unburdens society have very limited understanding of the role some older people play in their families and communities. 

[Sha Bu Le]

26 minutes ago, Sha Bu Le said:

Think of the savings on pensions 😷  However the inept millenials will start moaning when they find they can't manage without their elders

Mrs SBL's take on this

Long term self isolation coupled with withholding treatment (possibly)will produce :- 

Increase in suicide rate among the elderly + increase in the death rate due to the disease and lack of hospital beds and equipment such as ventilators.

Increase in hunger esp among those without close relatives / friends to help, fetch and carry etc. (tescos is talking about weekly delivery's at the moment ) but not every elderly person has or can use the internet.

Hospital appointments, missed this among the long term ill may increase the death rate. 

Daresay the list could be added to if some thought is given to it. 

This is quite worrying, I am 73 and have 2 underlying conditions, (heart and kidney)

Mrs SBL is 71 and apart from needing a skeleton transplant is reasonably well ATM.

  

20 minutes ago, WalkedUp said:

Many “older people with underlying health conditions” are very active and working. My mother is 63, has recovered from two strokes, has angina and weak lungs and frequent pneumonia. However she still works part time and also often looks after my nieces and nephews. I imagine her chances would be bleak if she contracted the virus however the economic effect of losing people like this will still be felt. Those saying it unburdens society have very limited understanding of the role some older people play in their families and communities. 

Also consider how many older people fulfill caring roles for relatives spouses etc. Would the system cope without them.......I think not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

Edited March 16, 2020 by Sha Bu Le
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