labour

[Saltings]

labour at it again scoring cheap political points        not enough done too late by everyone  not enough testing etc            while people rely on foodbanks        every one is wrong     and yet in a pandemic thought the world for lack  supplies of ppe  is the governments fault      labour  have done nothing to help  with supplies        labour has only criticised  the positive in uncertain times        only stand back and criticise       if we go back to work gingerly from Monday onwards  it will be too soon       the ones in government are getting it wrong again      and will never get it wright  by labour or media  

if labour were in power right now we would be so deep in bull manure we couldn't see daylight for years  through lack of action  so happy to tell everyone they are wrong  

or is it just me                my personal   thinking is  (  how can I help others  ) as many in the country are suppling ppe  without recognition        donations food   and clothing and a place to sleep       chavs still kick off and know their rights while spitting on officers all the way to the cells    col tom raising money    buy a meal for an nhs worker      hotels taking the homeless and isolating healthcare workers  in an effort  to save their family's  husbands and children labour are questioning that they didn't  do enough I dispair   try telling that to the nhs front line  nurses doctors paramedics dentists home carers end of life carers   chemists   police fire service morticians  grave diggers council workers bin men truck drivers shop keepers farm fruit pickers  milk suppliers  meat suppliers wagon drivers  road menders      to name a few there        my     grammar may not be spot on  my punctuation in the next county  I hope you get what im trying to say         the front line are on tv  behind them thousands  supporting them  as a country    if I missed any body its not intentional  we are all in the same boat  thank you        from everyone    can I ask that you   say hello to your neighbour       ask do you need anything      or would you like some game meat     can I help in the veg garden or mow the lawn trim the hedge         expect nothing in return  and one day a pie will turn up     to die for and all of the rest will be worth it           the simple things mean the most      you can only say thanks 

[JohnfromUK]

To be fair to Labour ........ they are the 'opposition', so  it is natural for them to 'oppose'.  They have had a lot of practice at it in recent years.  So long in opposition has entirely focussed them on being 'negative'.  Any policies they had themselves were soundly rejected by the electorate.

As opposition, they are focussed on making sure nothing they ever do or say could be construed as support for the government.  Starmer is a lawyer by training, so he will be practised in courtroom style performances ........ such as looking for 'chinks in evidence' to exploit to support 'his case'.

When the crisis of WW2 was over, the grateful electorate threw Churchill out on his ear and Labour took power.  I think Starmer is waiting for a repeat of that.  Who knows, he may get it ........

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Much easier to critisize after the event, Starmer is just another chancer.

[Danger-Mouse]

After numerous Labour councillors were sacked for wishing ill on Boris when he contracted the virus you'd think they'd be glad for some positive press, but oh no 

"A Labour councillor has been handed a formal warning after delivering thousands of pounds worth of food to vulnerable residents while working alongside Conservative rivals."

https://metro.co.uk/2020/05/05/labour-councillor-warned-working-tories-deliver-food-banks-12657806/

It seems their hatred of the Conservatives exceeds rational behaviour.

 

[Walker570]

3 hours ago, Saltings said:

labour at it again scoring cheap political points        not enough done too late by everyone  not enough testing etc            while people rely on foodbanks        every one is wrong     and yet in a pandemic thought the world for lack  supplies of ppe  is the governments fault      labour  have done nothing to help  with supplies        labour has only criticised  the positive in uncertain times        only stand back and criticise       if we go back to work gingerly from Monday onwards  it will be too soon       the ones in government are getting it wrong again      and will never get it wright  by labour or media  

if labour were in power right now we would be so deep in bull manure we couldn't see daylight for years  through lack of action  so happy to tell everyone they are wrong  

or is it just me                my personal   thinking is  (  how can I help others  ) as many in the country are suppling ppe  without recognition        donations food   and clothing and a place to sleep       chavs still kick off and know their rights while spitting on officers all the way to the cells    col tom raising money    buy a meal for an nhs worker      hotels taking the homeless and isolating healthcare workers  in an effort  to save their family's  husbands and children labour are questioning that they didn't  do enough I dispair   try telling that to the nhs front line  nurses doctors paramedics dentists home carers end of life carers   chemists   police fire service morticians  grave diggers council workers bin men truck drivers shop keepers farm fruit pickers  milk suppliers  meat suppliers wagon drivers  road menders      to name a few there        my     grammar may not be spot on  my punctuation in the next county  I hope you get what im trying to say         the front line are on tv  behind them thousands  supporting them  as a country    if I missed any body its not intentional  we are all in the same boat  thank you        from everyone    can I ask that you   say hello to your neighbour       ask do you need anything      or would you like some game meat     can I help in the veg garden or mow the lawn trim the hedge         expect nothing in return  and one day a pie will turn up     to die for and all of the rest will be worth it           the simple things mean the most      you can only say thanks 

100% could not have put it better.  I would not trust Starmer as far as I could throw him.  As my old Sergeant said when I first joined the job, " Watch their eyes boy, watch their eyes."

it has never failed.

[JDog]

Well done Saltings. A simple but very sensible post.

[Old Boggy]

3 hours ago, Saltings said:

labour at it again scoring cheap political points        not enough done too late by everyone  not enough testing etc            while people rely on foodbanks        every one is wrong     and yet in a pandemic thought the world for lack  supplies of ppe  is the governments fault      labour  have done nothing to help  with supplies        labour has only criticised  the positive in uncertain times        only stand back and criticise       if we go back to work gingerly from Monday onwards  it will be too soon       the ones in government are getting it wrong again      and will never get it wright  by labour or media  

if labour were in power right now we would be so deep in bull manure we couldn't see daylight for years  through lack of action  so happy to tell everyone they are wrong  

or is it just me                my personal   thinking is  (  how can I help others  ) as many in the country are suppling ppe  without recognition        donations food   and clothing and a place to sleep       chavs still kick off and know their rights while spitting on officers all the way to the cells    col tom raising money    buy a meal for an nhs worker      hotels taking the homeless and isolating healthcare workers  in an effort  to save their family's  husbands and children labour are questioning that they didn't  do enough I dispair   try telling that to the nhs front line  nurses doctors paramedics dentists home carers end of life carers   chemists   police fire service morticians  grave diggers council workers bin men truck drivers shop keepers farm fruit pickers  milk suppliers  meat suppliers wagon drivers  road menders      to name a few there        my     grammar may not be spot on  my punctuation in the next county  I hope you get what im trying to say         the front line are on tv  behind them thousands  supporting them  as a country    if I missed any body its not intentional  we are all in the same boat  thank you        from everyone    can I ask that you   say hello to your neighbour       ask do you need anything      or would you like some game meat     can I help in the veg garden or mow the lawn trim the hedge         expect nothing in return  and one day a pie will turn up     to die for and all of the rest will be worth it           the simple things mean the most      you can only say thanks 

Spot on, well said. 

[B725]

Stier Carmer just another champagne socialist. 

[WalkedUp]

No he really isn’t. 

9 minutes ago, B725 said:

Stier Carmer just another champagne socialist. 

I really disagree. In fact I would go so far as to say that Labour electing Sir Kier Starmer leader is much more of problem for us as than that fool Packham. From humble beginnings, Starmer is clearly incredibly intelligent, driven and dedicated. I imagine he will be the next Prime Minister, I just hope that Labour are sorted out before then otherwise it is going to be a disaster for field sports. 

[Mice!]

3 hours ago, Saltings said:

road menders

Not sure about that bit, I've been thinking it would have been a great time to do some repairs while it's so quiet.

But your spot on, lots of people doing a great job, it would be far better to focus on the positive things the country is doing. 

55 minutes ago, Mr_Nobody said:

After numerous Labour councillors were sacked for wishing ill on Boris when he contracted the virus you'd think they'd be glad for some positive press, but oh no 

"A Labour councillor has been handed a formal warning after delivering thousands of pounds worth of food to vulnerable residents while working alongside Conservative rivals."

https://metro.co.uk/2020/05/05/labour-councillor-warned-working-tories-deliver-food-banks-12657806/

It seems their hatred of the Conservatives exceeds rational behaviour.

 

That is shocking. 

27 minutes ago, B725 said:

Stier Carmer just another champagne socialist. 

I know nothing about the bloke, but when speaking in the house he looks polished, speaks well, better than BJ, which makes him far more dangerous than Corbyn ever was, and he doesn't have to back up anything he says.

[Dave at kelton]

”I know nothing about the bloke, but when speaking in the house he looks polished, speaks well, better than BJ, which makes him far more dangerous than Corbyn ever was, and he doesn't have to back up anything he says.“

Absolutely agree. You need to remember Starmer is a QC and hence one of the very best in finding flaws in an argument or evidence and turning a perfectly valid argument against you. All the QC’s I know are polished performers well versed in articulating an argument calmly and intelligibly to gain a winning position. This will be a tough five years for Boris whatever he does.

[crosswaters]

14 minutes ago, Dave at kelton said:

”I know nothing about the bloke, but when speaking in the house he looks polished, speaks well, better than BJ, which makes him far more dangerous than Corbyn ever was, and he doesn't have to back up anything he says.“

Absolutely agree. You need to remember Starmer is a QC and hence one of the very best in finding flaws in an argument or evidence and turning a perfectly valid argument against you. All the QC’s I know are polished performers well versed in articulating an argument calmly and intelligibly to gain a winning position. This will be a tough five years for Boris whatever he does.

Totally disagree,

This man in his past job defended the guilty and I would never give this type of leader my vote but will suit the labour party and fit in nicely with that bunch.

Boris will have no problems.

And you think a person that can turn a perfectly valid argument around and spin it against the person is good, not in my eyes.        

[Raja Clavata]

50 minutes ago, WalkedUp said:

No he really isn’t. 

I really disagree. In fact I would go so far as to say that Labour electing Sir Kier Starmer leader is much more of problem for us as than that fool Packham. From humble beginnings, Starmer is clearly incredibly intelligent, driven and dedicated. I imagine he will be the next Prime Minister, I just hope that Labour are sorted out before then otherwise it is going to be a disaster for field sports. 

I'm with you on all that apart from the Packham bit, surely until the next GE it's Packham that we need to really watch?

Personally, I am looking forward to seeing more of Starmer at the despatches box, he is going to have Boris and the rest of the Government on the run, could be brilliant TV. But for the mess that is the Labour Party it wouldn't even be a fair contest. It will also be interesting to see who the Tories will put forward to face off on him whenever it doesn't have to be Boris. Pretty sure Boris isn't looking forward to this one bit...

Just now, crosswaters said:

Boris will have no problems.    

We will see about that - Boris has two big problems to deal with and his job won't be any easier with Starmer having replaced that non entity Corbyn...

What makes you think he will have no problems?

Edited May 7, 2020 by Raja Clavata

[JohnfromUK]

7 minutes ago, crosswaters said:

Totally disagree

I have to disagree with you;

7 minutes ago, crosswaters said:

This man in his past job defended the guilty

That is what lawyers and barristers, QCs etc do for a living.

 

8 minutes ago, crosswaters said:

Boris will have no problems.

That is what Churchill thought at the end of the war - and he was defeated and lost office.

 

9 minutes ago, crosswaters said:

And you think a person that can turn a perfectly valid argument around and spin it against the person is good

Again - it is what barristers and QCs are paid to do.

10 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

Personally, I am looking forward to seeing more of Starmer at the despatches box, he is going to have Boris and the rest of the Government on the run, could be brilliant TV.

It will be dull TV, because whilst agreeing Starmer is clever and has a lawyers way of working arguments .......... he is a dull performer, a bit like John Major or Teresa May.

[Raja Clavata]

Just now, JohnfromUK said:

It will be dull TV, because whilst agreeing Starmer is clever and has a lawyers way of working arguments .......... he is a dull performer, a bit like John Major or Teresa May.

I don't watch much TV, maybe Question Time is the highlight of my week, please don't burst my bubble on this 😛 

Either way, I'll be listening to the verbal exchanges, the pomp and all that is secondary, and the fact that they both have "nutty roofs" tertiary 🙂 

[Gordon R]

Quote

Starmer is clearly incredibly intelligent, driven and dedicated. I imagine he will be the next Prime Minister,

That will need a lot of imagination. Whatever Starmer's qualities - and he has them - he is in the same boat as Gordon Brown - he lacks personality and is boring. In this day and age, decent policies are insufficient to win elections. We are becoming more like the USA with presidential type elections. A media personae is essential - he doesn't have it.

[Dave at kelton]

20 minutes ago, crosswaters said:

Totally disagree,

This man in his past job defended the guilty and I would never give this type of leader my vote but will suit the labour party and fit in nicely with that bunch.

Boris will have no problems.

And you think a person that can turn a perfectly valid argument around and spin it against the person is good, not in my eyes.        

I didn’t say he was good in the human sense I said he was good at arguing a case and turning the facts against you. That is not the same thing! If you have ever been cross examined by a good QC you would understand what I mean.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

1 hour ago, WalkedUp said:

No he really isn’t. 

I really disagree. In fact I would go so far as to say that Labour electing Sir Kier Starmer leader is much more of problem for us as than that fool Packham. From humble beginnings, Starmer is clearly incredibly intelligent, driven and dedicated. I imagine he will be the next Prime Minister, I just hope that Labour are sorted out before then otherwise it is going to be a disaster for field sports. 

Really?

16 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

It will be dull TV, because whilst agreeing Starmer is clever and has a lawyers way of working arguments .......... he is a dull performer, a bit like John Major or Teresa May.

Yes indeed, he is slightly more interesting than those two, but give it time, his mediocrity will triumph!

[crosswaters]

1 minute ago, Dave at kelton said:

I didn’t say he was good in the human sense I said he was good at arguing a case and turning the facts against you. That is not the same thing! If you have ever been cross examined by a good QC you would understand what I mean.

Thanks for that and no I haven't been cross examined but I have been on the panel  as a juror and seen some of the underhanded goings on.

These defending QC must give themselves a pat on the back deceiving the public.       

[panoma1]

13 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

That will need a lot of imagination. Whatever Starmer's qualities - and he has them - he is in the same boat as Gordon Brown - he lacks personality and is boring. In this day and age, decent policies are insufficient to win elections. We are becoming more like the USA with presidential type elections. A media personae is essential - he doesn't have it.

^ this! 

[derbyduck]

1 hour ago, B725 said:

Stier Carmer just another champagne socialist. 

he is also the man who covered up the  Jimmy Saville scandal !

 

1 hour ago, B725 said:

 

 

Edited May 7, 2020 by derbyduck

[crosswaters]

32 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

I'm with you on all that apart from the Packham bit, surely until the next GE it's Packham that we need to really watch?

Personally, I am looking forward to seeing more of Starmer at the despatches box, he is going to have Boris and the rest of the Government on the run, could be brilliant TV. But for the mess that is the Labour Party it wouldn't even be a fair contest. It will also be interesting to see who the Tories will put forward to face off on him whenever it doesn't have to be Boris. Pretty sure Boris isn't looking forward to this one bit...

We will see about that - Boris has two big problems to deal with and his job won't be any easier with Starmer having replaced that non entity Corbyn...

What makes you think he will have no problems?

I normally never get into this off topic talk as I see the a lot of pushing and shoving by certain posters  to try and gain a advantage and in some instances to belittle the other person.

So I've made my comments and will stick with them and not be swayed  by anyone...thank you.

On you go now !!!!!!!     

[TIGHTCHOKE]

5 minutes ago, derbyduck said:

he is also the man who covered up the  Jimmy Saville scandal !

No, he is NOT!

[derbyduck]

Just now, TIGHTCHOKE said:

No, he is NOT!

oh yes he is 

[JohnfromUK]

8 minutes ago, crosswaters said:

I normally never get into this off topic talk as I see the a lot of pushing and shoving by certain posters  to try and gain a advantage and in some instances to belittle the other person.

So I've made my comments and will stick with them and not be swayed  by anyone...thank you.

On you go now !!!!!!!     

Apologies if my comments fall into this category.  No offence meant, and we do have plenty of 'discussions' which can be quite robust, but (the vast majority anyway) are intended in good faith and I hope don't get too personal.  We all hold different views.