Old Boggy Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 Not sure whether this has been posted previously but I thought that Alan Sugar hit the nail on the head with this tweet -: "A message to all our Negative UK Press - including Laura Kuenssberg of the BBC, Robert Peston of ITV, Beth Rigby of Sky, Piers Morgan of ITV, James O`Brian - LBC, BBC News in general and all other negative UK press. Journalism is missing the `mood` in this great country of ours - the United Kingdom. We do not want or need blame, we do not want constant criticism of our Government who are doing their very best in a very difficult and unprecedented global emergency. This crisis is not of their making, there is no precedent of how to best handle it and i`m sure everyone is doing their level best to get it right. But time and again we see our negative press trying to trip up our politicians instead of asking questions that will provide positive and reassuring answers for all of us. They got the `mood` wrong in the Referendum, Brexit, General Election and now Coronavirus. We want and need a constructive contribution to the national effort to help us out of this crisis. We need hope, optimism and faith, with less negativity and more positive support from these journalists. It is time you all changed your negative and political rhetoric for the health of this nation and start supporting out Government. Let`s get this message VIRAL and they might just take note. (These aren`t all my words but they are my sentiments entirely)" OB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 It does make a change for him to get something right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 And he's a staunch Labour supporter isn't he, so that makes it a real refreshing change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 Yes I agree! In this unprecedented emergency, decisions have to be made, I don’t think the government ‘deliberately get thing wrong’ bad choices are as likely in dealing with the unknown, as good choices......the time to snipe from the sidelines is not now! Later I s the time for a post mortem to be held. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 yup agree with that .....................far too much negativity about..................cant bear that slob peston and doom trader kussenberge and the jamacian lingo rigby.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 He's a Spurs fan, says it all 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamch Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 Cant stand the bloke but he's quite right. The so called political correspondents are really a bunch of doom mongers and the stuff that comes out of Piers the **** should be sent down the sewers long with the dribble that appears in the Guardian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 Heard a good comment on the news this morning......whilst the Tory Westminster government are getting a kicking off the press for the care home catastrophe in England....no one is slating the Welsh and Scottish administrations (who have devolved responsibility in this area!) where the same thing is happening there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyefor Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, panoma1 said: Heard a good comment on the news this morning......whilst the Tory Westminster government are getting a kicking off the press for the care home catastrophe in England....no one is slating the Welsh and Scottish administrations (who have devolved responsibility in this area!) where the same thing is happening there? I spoke to a senior NHS guy over the weekend who lives in our village (walking the dogs, safe distances maintained etc) and he said he is livid that the majority of these care homes who are squealing about PPE are private homes who are charging their clients thousands of pounds for their services and they are responsible for providing their own PPE. It is truly sad that people are dying through lack of kit but it ain't the Government's responsibility to provide PPE to a private business? Yet again, negative news promoted by Peston, Kuenssberg, BBC etc. PS. I think Lord Sugar is 100% correct. Edited May 18, 2020 by Eyefor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 27 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: He's a Spurs fan, says it all 🙂 Alan Sugar - Spurs fan Piers Morgan - Gooner yep says it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 28 minutes ago, panoma1 said: Heard a good comment on the news this morning......whilst the Tory Westminster government are getting a kicking off the press for the care home catastrophe in England....no one is slating the Welsh and Scottish administrations (who have devolved responsibility in this area!) where the same thing is happening there? I caught a bit of that, I mentioned a few weeks back that half of Scotland's deaths were in care homes but nothing was being said, in Wales apparently the NHS is in a mess and nothing to do with Westminster, Hancock is only responsible for England. I'd love to see Morgan and Sugar do an interview and see how long PM lasts trying to talk over Sugar. Sort of a PS I wonder if the Labour party will send AS a warning like they did the MP who helped dish out food or supplies with his Tory neighbour? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, Mice! said: I caught a bit of that, I mentioned a few weeks back that half of Scotland's deaths were in care homes but nothing was being said, in Wales apparently the NHS is in a mess and nothing to do with Westminster, Hancock is only responsible for England. I'd love to see Morgan and Sugar do an interview and see how long PM lasts trying to talk over Sugar. Sort of a PS I wonder if the Labour party will send AS a warning like they did the MP who helped dish out food or supplies with his Tory neighbour? I doubt it, they need his money and his notoriety but not his input! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 11 minutes ago, AVB said: Alan Sugar - Spurs fan Piers Morgan - Gooner yep says it all. They are clearly "mates" but I suspect this fact means they'll never be able to really tight (although I may be projecting my own experiences in this). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontastic Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Eyefor said: I spoke to a senior NHS guy over the weekend who lives in our village (walking the dogs, safe distances maintained etc) and he said he is livid that the majority of these care homes who are squealing about PPE are private homes who are charging their clients thousands of pounds for their services and they are responsible for providing their own PPE. It is truly sad that people are dying through lack of kit but it ain't the Government's responsibility to provide PPE to a private business? Yet again, negative news promoted by Peston, Kuenssberg, BBC etc. PS. I think Lord Sugar is 100% correct. Just like it isn't the governments responsibility to pay 80% of peoples wages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Eyefor said: I spoke to a senior NHS guy over the weekend who lives in our village (walking the dogs, safe distances maintained etc) and he said he is livid that the majority of these care homes who are squealing about PPE are private homes who are charging their clients thousands of pounds for their services and they are responsible for providing their own PPE. It is truly sad that people are dying through lack of kit but it ain't the Government's responsibility to provide PPE to a private business? Yet again, negative news promoted by Peston, Kuenssberg, BBC etc. PS. I think Lord Sugar is 100% correct. The sad bit is that care is provided by private care homes ,it should be provided by the government and not treat as a ££££ earner. Back to OP ,Mr Sugar is spot on with his views on the press/media/opposition attitude imho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontastic Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Eyefor said: It is truly sad that people are dying through lack of kit but it ain't the Government's responsibility to provide PPE to a private business? But many care homes, hospices, specialist cancer centres and specialist dementia homes haven't asked for government financial help in buying PPE. They have only asked for assistance in finding it to buy, perhaps you even begrudge them this help. There was a nurse from a hospice on sky news several weeks ago almost in tears begging for help. Every time she contacted a supplier they refused to help as they were only supplying NHS. But it's nice to see that you don't think these people are worthy of government assistance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancer425 Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 SWEET LORD SUGAR . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 1 hour ago, toontastic said: Just like it isn't the governments responsibility to pay 80% of peoples wages. 1 hour ago, matone said: The sad bit is that care is provided by private care homes ,it should be provided by the government and not treat as a ££££ earner. Back to OP ,Mr Sugar is spot on with his views on the press/media/opposition attitude imho. The government provide nothing! it is the taxpayers who provide the money, for the government to spend on what they choose to/or not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surfer Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, panoma1 said: The government provide nothing! it is the taxpayers who provide the money, for the government to spend on what they choose to/or not! Absolutely correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 3 hours ago, Mice! said: And he's a staunch Labour supporter isn't he He certainly was in Blair's time ........ but I believe he dropped them when Corbyn was leader. I haven't heard he has gone back, but he may have done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 58 minutes ago, toontastic said: But many care homes, hospices, specialist cancer centres and specialist dementia homes haven't asked for government financial help in buying PPE. They have only asked for assistance in finding it to buy, perhaps you even begrudge them this help. There was a nurse from a hospice on sky news several weeks ago almost in tears begging for help. Every time she contacted a supplier they refused to help as they were only supplying NHS. But it's nice to see that you don't think these people are worthy of government assistance. What? It isn't down to the government to source PPE for a private business, simple as that. Yes, there has been unprecedented demand of late, but a care home should have decent supply chains for this; they get through enough of it in normal times. As for hospices - the whole point of them is that they are independent of the healthcare system and government. Rough with smooth springs to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted May 18, 2020 Report Share Posted May 18, 2020 I couldn’t agree more, and this is one of the main reasons I haven’t watched the news in weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted May 19, 2020 Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 On 18/05/2020 at 13:39, udderlyoffroad said: What? It isn't down to the government to source PPE for a private business, simple as that. Yes, there has been unprecedented demand of late, but a care home should have decent supply chains for this; they get through enough of it in normal times. As for hospices - the whole point of them is that they are independent of the healthcare system and government. Rough with smooth springs to mind. But what about the Governments actions in the beginning getting people with CV discharged to care homes and expecting them to look after these people. The government has had problems getting hold of PPE themselves - what chance does a care home have of finding stock - I posted this a few weeks ago as well and my viewpoint hasn't changed. Don't forget that a lot of the residents of these homes have paid their taxes all their lives, and have more than likely lost their homes to pay for this care - with some having their children pay for enhanced levels of care befitting their needs because successive governments have withdrawn any care and support of the elderly/infirm forcing people into private care homes. However if you have never worked a jot in your life, pumped out kids left right and center and had a constant hand out then don't worry - your sorted. I hope that you don't have to experience homes or hospices but for those people and families that do - they provide a vital service. I understand the cost of private care homes is extortionate but that is a different matter besides this one - and one that does definitely need looking at post-CV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted May 19, 2020 Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 Spot on, but there again love him or hate him he is a smart guy, from a tearrced house in the back end of London to sitting in the Lords says it all. Read his autobiography if you haven't already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted May 19, 2020 Report Share Posted May 19, 2020 1 minute ago, discobob said: I hope that you don't have to experience homes or hospices but for those people and families that do - they provide a vital service. Have seen the insides of both (pre COVID-19). 7 minutes ago, discobob said: I understand the cost of private care homes is extortionate but that is a different matter besides this one - and one that does definitely need looking at post-CV Theresa May tried to grasp that nettle and look where that got her. No the only thing that will bring the costs under control is a rigorous, independent inspection regime, with criminal sanctions for directors who fall short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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