Will H Posted March 2, 2022 Report Share Posted March 2, 2022 Just seen this on the local news... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-60574477 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted March 2, 2022 Report Share Posted March 2, 2022 On a related note, a lot of 'revoked' guns are being returned. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60068905 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted March 2, 2022 Report Share Posted March 2, 2022 28 minutes ago, Will H said: Just seen this on the local news... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-60574477 No mention, of course, about the fact that his shotgun was returned to him after being seized by the police. Just another knee jerk reaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jan8p Posted March 2, 2022 Report Share Posted March 2, 2022 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-60574477 So this chap is suggesting banning of pump action shotguns in homes to parliament today. Hopefully won't get anywhere as (usual) it's nonsensical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamch Posted March 2, 2022 Report Share Posted March 2, 2022 Be more use asking why the Police failed to implement the current laws correctly which would have prevent the whole sad story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jan8p Posted March 2, 2022 Report Share Posted March 2, 2022 Indeed. Banning pump actions implies they are more lethal than a SXS or O/U, when in reality not really, and the fact there's zero mention of semi automatics makes it look even more stupid. Hopefully common sense in parliament will prevail here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.T Posted March 2, 2022 Report Share Posted March 2, 2022 More smoke screen to please the electorate, real focus should be on police force that granted licence and returned guns to him 🤬 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butchdickason Posted March 2, 2022 Report Share Posted March 2, 2022 Why is a pump action shotgun more lethal than any other shotgun, a gun of any type will kill in the wrong hands. This proposal seems to me to be a self promoting platform for this ill informed MP to gain publicity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jan8p Posted March 2, 2022 Report Share Posted March 2, 2022 5 minutes ago, butchdickason said: Why is a pump action shotgun more lethal than any other shotgun, a gun of any type will kill in the wrong hands. This proposal seems to me to be a self promoting platform for this ill informed MP to gain publicity. Exactly. You either have to come after ALL guns (not going to happen), or forget it. Banning a single type of action is stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted March 2, 2022 Report Share Posted March 2, 2022 (edited) My rights don't end ,where your fear starts If I had to fire 6 shots as quick as possible . An ejecting ou .would be faster than a 3 shot pump . 4 shots .- the ou is faster If I had to shoot 2 shots as fast as possible an ou.is faster . The only time a pump is faster than an ou. is when firing 3 shots . so speed CANT be the reasoning. so we are left with irrational fear . See my first line above . Edited March 2, 2022 by Ultrastu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wylye Posted March 2, 2022 Report Share Posted March 2, 2022 Utter nonesense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jan8p Posted March 2, 2022 Report Share Posted March 2, 2022 (edited) I guess this is where the guys and girls with the links to the government, like BASC and other shooting organisations should explain these simple things. Luckily, there will be plenty of BASC members who aren't farmers or "professional" pest controllers who use pump actions, so there should be pushback. It's not like MARS where there are limited use cases. Edited March 2, 2022 by jan8p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted March 2, 2022 Report Share Posted March 2, 2022 Just yet another cynical politician playing the popularity game with absolutely nothing to lose and absolutely no idea of what firearms are out there nor how they function. He could have pointed a finger at the police, but that would mean confronting a problem no one has an answer to, so far easier to blame an inanimate object rather than the person using it, akin to blaming the car rather than the driver. Despicable behaviour, but then what else should we expect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted March 2, 2022 Report Share Posted March 2, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Will H said: Just seen this on the local news... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-60574477 When will MPs live in the real world, with all that is going on at the moment they want to waste parliamentary time on this, MP Luke Pollard has not got a clue about U.K. gun laws or what really went wrong at Plymouth. edited to add if you live in Plymouth, Sutton, devonport you should contact him and ask him to look at the police involvement in this tragic incident and request he provides you with the IOPC report when published. Edited March 2, 2022 by rbrowning2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted March 2, 2022 Report Share Posted March 2, 2022 (edited) All living in Plymouth, Sutton, Devonport should email him and ask him if he has looked at the police involvement and request a copy of the IOPC report. makes your blood boil at the muppets that are MPs. Edited March 2, 2022 by rbrowning2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted March 2, 2022 Report Share Posted March 2, 2022 3 hours ago, rbrowning2 said: When will MPs live in the real world, with all that is going on at the moment they want to waste parliamentary time on this, MP Luke Pollard has not got a clue about U.K. gun laws or what really went wrong at Plymouth. edited to add if you live in Plymouth, Sutton, devonport you should contact him and ask him to look at the police involvement in this tragic incident and request he provides you with the IOPC report when published. surprise, surprise, a labour and coop member Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted March 2, 2022 Report Share Posted March 2, 2022 5 hours ago, jan8p said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-60574477 So this chap is suggesting banning of pump action shotguns in homes to parliament today. Hopefully won't get anywhere as (usual) it's nonsensical. They are, effectively, banned in France! Yet the maker's equivalent self loading model isn't. So in ways that us Brits would compare Remington 870.... bad. Remington 1100...not bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted March 2, 2022 Report Share Posted March 2, 2022 he said to make shore it wont happen again,so only pump actions kill then.what about the knife crime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamch Posted March 2, 2022 Report Share Posted March 2, 2022 5 hours ago, Scully said: Just yet another cynical politician playing the popularity game with absolutely nothing to lose and absolutely no idea of what firearms are out there nor how they function. He could have pointed a finger at the police, but that would mean confronting a problem no one has an answer to, so far easier to blame an inanimate object rather than the person using it, akin to blaming the car rather than the driver. Despicable behaviour, but then what else should we expect? Lord knows after all he is Labour dross Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted March 2, 2022 Report Share Posted March 2, 2022 It’s no coincidence whatsoever that the BBC have produced this news feed without challenge or balance - for this read ‘bias clap trap’. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 2, 2022 Report Share Posted March 2, 2022 Death of a thousand cuts and this is the latest one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor O'Gorman Posted March 2, 2022 Report Share Posted March 2, 2022 This private members Bill will not proceed because there is no parliamentary time and it’s a case of an MP who is in search of a headline. Luke Pollard has already been well briefed on why his proposals are unnecessary and unwarranted and yet he has gone ahead anyway and presented his proposals as a ten minute rule bill . BASC has briefed him and explained the existing rules and guidance around security and storage of firearms. BASC has also briefed the Home Secretary on why restrictions are not required and BASC has been briefing members of the All Party Parliamentary Group on Shooting and Conservation. In relation to these proposals the Home Office has confirmed that the police have in place robust processes for issuing and reviewing firearm and shotgun licences and that if there are further lessons to be learned from this tragic case they will update the statutory guidance for firearms licensing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will H Posted March 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2022 BASC's response copied from The Stalking Directory - sounds like the situation is in hand! "This private members Bill will not proceed because there is no parliamentary time and it’s a case of an MP who is in search of a headline. Luke Pollard has already been well briefed on why his proposals are unnecessary and unwarranted and yet he has gone ahead anyway and presented his proposals as a ten minute rule bill . We have briefed him and explained the existing rules and guidance around security and storage of firearms. We have also briefed the Home Secretary on why restrictions are not required and we have been briefing members of the All Party Parliamentary Group on Shooting and Conservation. In relation to these proposals the Home Office has confirmed that the police have in place robust processes for issuing and reviewing firearm and shotgun licences and that if there are further lessons to be learned from this tragic case they will update the statutory guidance for firearms licensing." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted March 2, 2022 Report Share Posted March 2, 2022 12 minutes ago, Will H said: BASC's response copied from The Stalking Directory - sounds like the situation is in hand! "This private members Bill will not proceed because there is no parliamentary time and it’s a case of an MP who is in search of a headline. Luke Pollard has already been well briefed on why his proposals are unnecessary and unwarranted and yet he has gone ahead anyway and presented his proposals as a ten minute rule bill . We have briefed him and explained the existing rules and guidance around security and storage of firearms. We have also briefed the Home Secretary on why restrictions are not required and we have been briefing members of the All Party Parliamentary Group on Shooting and Conservation. In relation to these proposals the Home Office has confirmed that the police have in place robust processes for issuing and reviewing firearm and shotgun licences and that if there are further lessons to be learned from this tragic case they will update the statutory guidance for firearms licensing." This is good - but I am alarmed by the last line re poss’ statutory guidance up date. We all know this tragic incident occurred because a dangerous and mentally ill man had his gun returned. It is therefore police operational standards (in the case of D and C) which need to be overhauled - and not our perfectly robust firearms licencing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted March 4, 2022 Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 On 02/03/2022 at 15:49, enfieldspares said: They are, effectively, banned in France! Yet the maker's equivalent self loading model isn't. So in ways that us Brits would compare Remington 870.... bad. Remington 1100...not bad. Wrong wrong and wrong… check your facts. There was a change in the law as all pumps even with short barrels had to be ‘cannon rayé’ which is rifled. Then the law changed to longer 24” barrels Smooth bore and those with barrels less than 24” (61cm) are able to be held on category B1 which would be like us and our FAC. This isn’t the first time that you have incorrectly made a statement about the French and their laws! Here is a translation from a French Gunshop that I used to use: ‘Choose your shotgun for hunting: The regulations allow the purchase of a shotgun with a hunting license or a shooting license for a rifle of 5 shots maximum with a 61 cm barrel as well as a total length greater than 80 cm with a rifled barrel. You can use different hunting or shooting ammunition (skirted or greasy wad, shot or ball) but also non-lethal cartridges such as gum-cognes.’ https://www.meyson.fr/c/214-fusils-a-pompe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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