frankydiver Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 Has anyone been abroad recently and developed flu or Covid symptoms soon after?.If so I think it’s with the air con on the plane . Any thoughts on this . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 Highly likely that the air con is the culprit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 My friend and her sister went. To Iceland ( not the shop) as soon as she got home she had covid. This was June last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 Yes, a friend flew to Iceland with friends to go salmon fishing and arrived with covid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 Most folk I know who have flown recently have had colds or covid either on or shortly after their return. I’ve heard that clean air is circulated less often nowadays since the smoking ban, when the scrubbers were working overtime. Whether there’s any truth in that I have no idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 Long before covid I almost always went down with a bad cold or sinus/respiratory bug about 2 or 3 days after flying. You are stuck in a glorified giant cigar tube with several hundred other peoples respiratory droplets with all their viral loads. It is an inbuilt hazard of flying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 1 hour ago, frankydiver said: Has anyone been abroad recently and developed flu or Covid symptoms soon after?.If so I think it’s with the air con on the plane . Any thoughts on this . Yes. I caught covid on the way out to Rhodes last year. It’s not a biggy - the way to avoid covid these days is to just not test for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 No, we went to Spain late October arrived fine and returned fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 Quote It’s not a biggy - the way to avoid covid these days is to just not test for it. At first glance, you could be forgiven for describing this as flippant. That said, it is one of the most sensible comments on the whole subject. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 Got to love an Aviation expert 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 26 minutes ago, Gordon R said: At first glance, you could be forgiven for describing this as flippant. That said, it is one of the most sensible comments on the whole subject. 🙂 Some considerate people would test to see if they have Covid rather than a cold so they could take steps to avoid spreading it to frends, famaly, and people that are at high risk from Covid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minky Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 According to this is the answer. https://www.webmd.com/men/news/20020723/why-we-catch-colds-during-flights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 49 minutes ago, ordnance said: Some considerate people would test to see if they have Covid rather than a cold so they could take steps to avoid spreading it to frends, famaly, and people that are at high risk from Covid Surely if they just wear a mask when around someone with symptoms, they will be fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, ordnance said: Some considerate people would test to see if they have Covid rather than a cold so they could take steps to avoid spreading it to frends, famaly, and people that are at high risk from Covid Oh please! When oh when is all this going to end! The vulnerable can be vaccinated if they’re that worried, just like they are vaccinated against the flu, which can be just as dangerous to them as can covid. However, no one tests for flu. We really do need to get a grip and move on. Edited February 9, 2023 by Scully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigroomboy Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 No it's not the air con. The air on a plane is HEPA filtered and the air change rate is quite high so actually one of the best environments. The issue is that when you travel you come in close contact with a lot more people. So statistically you are much more likely to be near somebody with COVID. Additional, when in a plane the the pressure is very low and the air is kept very dry to protect the airplane. That means you mucus membranes dry out so your natural defences are reduced. Also In Response to the above. A mask is no guarantee of achieving anything. There are lots of infection routes and very little control over the type of mask and how effectively they wear it. Better to wear an N95 yourself ways your and and don't touch your eyes mouth or nose. Also I should add. Hygiene in a plane is terrible with all those people touching the same surfaces. So keep washing your hands. 7 minutes ago, Scully said: Oh please! When oh when is all this going to end! The vulnerable can be vaccinated if they’re that worried, just like they are vaccinated against the flu, which can be just as dangerous to them as can flu, which incidentally, no one tests for. We really do need to get a grip and move on. Scully I agree with you but what people should have learnt is that if you don't feel well, stay away from people regardless of what it is. No need for the stuff upper lip only to make all your friends and family I'll with what ever you have and therefore ruin everybody else's holiday or day generally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 19 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: Surely if they just wear a mask when around someone with symptoms, they will be fine What about people that have no visible symptoms people can do what they want, maybe its just me if i had Covid i would want to try and keep it to myself. To do that i would need to know i had it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 21 minutes ago, Scully said: Oh please! When oh when is all this going to end! The vulnerable can be vaccinated if they’re that worried, just like they are vaccinated against the flu, which can be just as dangerous to them as can covid. However, no one tests for flu. We really do need to get a grip and move on. From what i can see people are moving on and life in the UK is more or less back to normal. It just makes sense to me if a person has a viral infection and there is a quick and easy test why not take it, if it could help you not spread it to frends, famaly, and others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) I nearly always get a cold after going on a plane Also I know somebody who recently flew back from Spain knowing she was still Covid positive after being ill over there. It's not illegal and she didn't want to change her arrangements. Edited February 9, 2023 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted February 10, 2023 Report Share Posted February 10, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, ordnance said: What about people that have no visible symptoms people can do what they want, maybe its just me if i had Covid i would want to try and keep it to myself. To do that i would need to know i had it. How would you know you had covid, if you are asymptomatic Are you suggesting healthy people should wear a mask just in case! Maybe those who are vulnerable should take some self responsibility, instead of expecting others to suffer for them. Edited February 10, 2023 by Newbie to this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted February 10, 2023 Report Share Posted February 10, 2023 The air on a plane is probably cleaner than most air conditioned offices. I guess the reason you might be "more likely" to catch something is because of the number of people in a small space rather than the a/c. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted February 10, 2023 Report Share Posted February 10, 2023 17 minutes ago, walshie said: The air on a plane is probably cleaner than most air conditioned offices. I guess the reason you might be "more likely" to catch something is because of the number of people in a small space rather than the a/c. Exactly that. https://www.webmd.com/men/news/20020723/why-we-catch-colds-during-flights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derbyduck Posted February 10, 2023 Report Share Posted February 10, 2023 Wing Walking is the only way I would fly in these turbulent times ! 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted February 10, 2023 Report Share Posted February 10, 2023 5 hours ago, Newbie to this said: How would you know you had covid, if you are asymptomatic Are you suggesting healthy people should wear a mask just in case! Maybe those who are vulnerable should take some self responsibility, instead of expecting others to suffer for them. I did not say anyone should wear a mask, I said that it would be common courtesy if somewone had Covid to wear a mask. As for people that are who are vulnerable they are taking self responsibility but there are things out of their control health care appointments for example, I doint think its to big a ask for in that type of settings for masks to be worn. PS You have a low suffering threshold if wearing a mask has you suffering Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted February 10, 2023 Report Share Posted February 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, ordnance said: I doint think its to big a ask for in that type of settings for masks to be worn. Our local surgery still insist on masks for all at all times, even collecting prescriptions (which I did yesterday, so current information!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonepark Posted February 10, 2023 Report Share Posted February 10, 2023 7 minutes ago, ordnance said: I did not say anyone should wear a mask, I said that it would be common courtesy if somewone had Covid to wear a mask. PS You have a low suffering threshold if wearing a mask has you suffering Unfortunately the science is in due to the many studies over the last few years, masks, even commercial (non fitted) n95 masks, do just about ZERO to prevent the spread of airborne diseases such as COVID or the flu whether worn by an infected person, an uninfected person or both. Whilst n95 and surgical masks can catch significant amounts of aerosols for the first few minutes (ignoring poor fit), once the masks are saturated they become less effective but significantly if you are masked and next to an infected person, the masks might slow down the viral loading you are absorbing but this is only measured in minutes, hence the poor overall performance of masks. An infected person breathes out some 5000 COVID particles per breath, a cough or sneeze could be as many as 200 million (and most of which shoots out the gaps in the mask) and it is estimated that it only takes 1000 to 2000 COVID particles to cause an infection and which can be absorbed by 10 min face to face talking with an infected person even when both wearing masks. Sitting in an aeroplane for a couple of hours almost guarantees a high infection rate, and even if everyone was masked it would make little difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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