grahamch Posted June 10, 2023 Report Share Posted June 10, 2023 (edited) Have just got my FAC but am wondering if with proposed changes to firearms legislation and anti shooting sentiment is it worth investing money in new rifles, scopes etc and a new sporter? Am reluctant to spend as l thinking shooting will be gone in 5 years if or whenwe get a labour government full of socialist scum Edited June 10, 2023 by grahamch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOPGUN749 Posted June 10, 2023 Report Share Posted June 10, 2023 These days with fewer and fewer license holders and plenty of 2nd hand bargains available I would never buy new. I have seen some rifles and shotguns offered privately at a quarter of their new price,dealers often don’t want to take them in! Heard of a guy who was offered £500 for his recent £4,000 shotgun... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted June 10, 2023 Report Share Posted June 10, 2023 Surely it is worth buying new guns if you intend keeping them. If you don't, then dabble in the second hand market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted June 10, 2023 Report Share Posted June 10, 2023 Hello, what rifle/rifles do you intend using ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted June 10, 2023 Report Share Posted June 10, 2023 No question, second hand from a reputable dealer. Only problem is if you want something non standard you may have to go new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkfanz Posted June 10, 2023 Report Share Posted June 10, 2023 i would never buy new again,allways lost money,vat for example you lose straight away never to get back,even good quality ones are not an investment anymore,they,re worth only what people are prepared to pay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo Posted June 10, 2023 Report Share Posted June 10, 2023 Used gun market is at a real low. Buyers have the advabtage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted June 10, 2023 Report Share Posted June 10, 2023 I have never been in the position to buy a new gun and to be honest it had never really entered my head to buy new , same with a car , second hand every time , more guns are entering into todays market than ever , if you are a side x side fan you might be soon be getting a small payment to offer a gun a good home instead of the gun heading to the melting pot , the payment might be a bit extreme but it have never been a better time to buy a good standard gun than now , my recent one which I was very pleased with was a T Wild of Birmingham s x s , this gun looked as if it had never been used with all the case hardener in mint condition , this one came from our local sporting auction and the hammer price was £200 plus fees , today that same gun might be worth a fair bit less than what I paid but this gun will easily out live me and my days of buying guns are now drawing to a close . MM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted June 10, 2023 Report Share Posted June 10, 2023 There’s a lot of doom and gloom doing the rounds at the moment. I think the world of shooting will undergo further change - as it continues to evolve - like all things. I can’t see it disappearing in 5 years however. I think a new shiny gun is a great idea, providing the OP intends to keep it for a long time. Perhaps ask what the cost/year over its useful life might be? There is also the warranty to consider and of course the joy of owning a brand new gun - which is beyond financial rationale. The most cost efficient option however has already been offered above - second hand - especially a private sale which avoids the dreaded VAT. The reason I’ve taken an interest in the OP’s question is because I’m in the same dilemma. For me though, a second hand gun has to be in pristine condition, as I do look after my guns. There are plenty where the stock looks like an old cricket bat….. which has seen a lot of innings……🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
button Posted June 10, 2023 Report Share Posted June 10, 2023 If I see something I like/want I'm buying it, not going to worry about what or what might not happen in the future, lifes too short Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted June 10, 2023 Report Share Posted June 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, button said: If I see something I like/want I'm buying it, not going to worry about what or what might not happen in the future, lifes too short Good philosophy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samboy Posted June 10, 2023 Report Share Posted June 10, 2023 13 minutes ago, button said: If I see something I like/want I'm buying it, not going to worry about what or what might not happen in the future, lifes too short I'm exactly the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 10, 2023 Report Share Posted June 10, 2023 It’s a bit like wondering if you should get out of bed in the morning really, in my opinion, cos you’re going to die eventually, so what’s the point? 🤷♂️ We’re only here once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genghis Posted June 10, 2023 Report Share Posted June 10, 2023 (edited) I don’t think that shooting will be ‘gone’ in 5 years but tighter restrictions seem a certainty under a Labour government. I think how severe will depend on whether there’s a shooting incident of note involving a license holder while Labour are in power. If the more extreme voices get their way and most shooters can no longer keep their guns at home then I can’t see many people wanting to buy new guns anymore. Why would you pay big for a gun that you would barely own. Maybe the question to ask yourself is, if you extreme measures do come into place then would you consider leaving Britain so your investment wouldn’t go to waste? Edited June 10, 2023 by Genghis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHenry Posted June 10, 2023 Report Share Posted June 10, 2023 (edited) In the short term, as above - I think there will be tighter regulations under a Labour government, but they aren't going to ban it. Not even Jeremy Corbyns Animal Welfare Manifesto suggested banning game shooting. We have had a long period of very little legislative change, under one party, so of course there's going to be change. Infact, as far as live quary shooting is concerned, regardless of the party in power, there has been little change instigated by national politicians of whatever sort for a huge length of time. Digressing somewhat, I suspect there is wider change coming - I would imagine in tone of the sort that came about after the second world war - and the next government will be a symptom of it, as opposed to the cause. More government, higher taxes, less individual choice, more things justified owing to them benefiting 'all' over the 'individual'. Shooting changed then - there was less of it, costs went up, etc - but it still carried on. Likewise, things will change, but they will also carry on. Personally, I think going forward, it's going to be something for enthusiasts rather than casual shots - at least for the foreseeable re live quary shooting. Thankfully, in my experience, the majority of syndicates and small shoots are manned with enthusiasts. Edited June 10, 2023 by PeterHenry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas seal Posted June 10, 2023 Report Share Posted June 10, 2023 Hi Grahamch you don’t say the type of guns or type of shooting you ask advise on. As oldypigeonpoppe asked. I don’t know of any type of shooting that will be (gone) in five years. You should get the correct rifle first time if you can as it takes longer to change rifles and will be costly. I’m sure members will give you good advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.C Posted June 10, 2023 Report Share Posted June 10, 2023 Only had one new rifle and the missus bought that for me as a prezzy. New you know where it's been, that nothings been mucked around with and you know the shot count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted June 11, 2023 Report Share Posted June 11, 2023 All my shotguns are second hand and I’ve only purchased one new ever . Baikel hushpower when they were released. my rifles are mixed . New ruger 10/22 because it was cheap but another 22lr Brno that’s 50 years old . My howa 223 was second hand and I’ve had it 10 years . It’s awesome. new 243 and hmr but only because I got a bargain. I couldn’t care less really if they’re tidy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted June 12, 2023 Report Share Posted June 12, 2023 11 hours ago, team tractor said: All my shotguns are second hand and I’ve only purchased one new ever . Baikel hushpower when they were released. my rifles are mixed . New ruger 10/22 because it was cheap but another 22lr Brno that’s 50 years old . My howa 223 was second hand and I’ve had it 10 years . It’s awesome. new 243 and hmr but only because I got a bargain. I couldn’t care less really if they’re tidy Likewise, only ever one new shotgun, and that was a present. Only one new rifle as well, but tend to buy new air rifles because too many goons mess with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted June 12, 2023 Report Share Posted June 12, 2023 4 hours ago, London Best said: Likewise, only ever one new shotgun, and that was a present. Only one new rifle as well, but tend to buy new air rifles because too many goons mess with them. Whereas it's not everyone, of course, but ain't that a fact! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted June 12, 2023 Report Share Posted June 12, 2023 5 hours ago, London Best said: Likewise, only ever one new shotgun, and that was a present. Only one new rifle as well, but tend to buy new air rifles because too many goons mess with them. Tbh that’s bang on about airguns . Too many people mess . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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