discobob Posted September 12, 2023 Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 So, I have a Job offer Current Job - X Salary - 35 hours - on call permanently for an area being the Subject Matter Expert but as I do that job well - very rarely happens, and on call one week in three to help another team out đ - about 5 or so hours a month overtime - Time in Lieu and overtime is paid - No limit on Sick (not that I have needed it - but....) - to make a salary of roughly Y New Job - Y salary - but 40 hours per week - with unpaid overtime when needed, and only 10 days sick pay in one year and then SSP The new job appears to be a better fit technically for me and the people I interviewed with seemed very agreeable. I am stuck in a real quandary on this.... I do want to get out of my current job - but being the wrong side of mid 50's the sick pay does really put me off, along with trading a paid on call and limited but paid overtime, for an extra 20 hours a month.... What are other people's thoughts on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted September 12, 2023 Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 My mantra was always, âthe less time you can spend at work the betterâ. Your view may vary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted September 12, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 I should quantify a bit further. We had our first pay rise of 3% in 4 years this year with the current company. The company has been taken over this year and we are still morphing - in that I haven't a clue what my job will go like - it could get worse or it could get better.... The on-call is in my contract - but what that will be in the future who knows (i.e. a take home pay cut) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Shot Posted September 12, 2023 Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 Depends on what salary X is compared to salary Y. Is the difference in salary Y (assuming an increase in the new job) equal to greater than salary X when you base salary X on a 40 hour week instead of 35. That being said, if you don't have any gripes with your current job and you're perfectly happy with it then there is no real reason to leave other than the grass appears greener etc.. Would you be able to return to your current job should the new one turn out to be a complete shambles or would leaving burn that bridge and leave you stranded in the new job? Given that you are the wrong side of 50 I would edge on the side of less working hours and more life enjoyment. The time in your life to concentrate to career goals is gone and your focus should be on doing all the things you can do now that you may not be able to do at 65. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted September 12, 2023 Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 also consider impact on your pension if any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centrepin Posted September 12, 2023 Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 Free overtime usually means you'll be working a lot of it and the more you do the more it increases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted September 12, 2023 Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 Depends on how the 35 vs 40 hrs is enforced, I've worked places that were nominally 35 but don't you try and leave early on a Friday, vs places that were 40 but was easy to duck out early to go shooting as long as the hours put in amounted to 40 at the end of the week. 1 hour ago, London Best said: My mantra was always, âthe less time you can spend at work the betterâ. On that basis, new job. Stuff this on-call nonsense. Been there, done that, good sense of job satisfaction when you can resolve an issue, but not worth the sacrifice in hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted September 12, 2023 Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 Some businesses have the ârevert to SSPâ in the policy, but in practice they look after good folks and pay full whack if they get genuinely Iâll. May be worth going in with it as a negotiating point ⌠perhaps nothing to lose? You could also consider an income insurance policy in case you get sick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted September 12, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Poor Shot said: Depends on what salary X is compared to salary Y. 10k ish  1 hour ago, Poor Shot said: equal to greater than salary X when you base salary X on a 40 hour week instead of 35. 3k more 1 hour ago, Poor Shot said: That being said, if you don't have any gripes with your current job and you're perfectly happy with it then there is no real reason to leave other than the grass appears greener etc.. trouble is I am stagnating mentally in this job. 1 hour ago, Poor Shot said: Would you be able to return to your current job should the new one turn out to be a complete shambles or would leaving burn that bridge and leave you stranded in the new job? I would say the latter - especially with new overlords 30 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said: Depends on how the 35 vs 40 hrs is enforced, They are quite relaxed on it here though - and holidays are by the hour - not the day - no idea in the new job... 31 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said: Stuff this on-call nonsense That was part of the attraction to this new job - but working an extra 20 hours a month sort of knocks that a bit.... When I go into the office it will be a 12 hour day if I take a lunch break...  15 minutes ago, Smokersmith said: Some businesses have the ârevert to SSPâ in the policy, but in practice they look after good folks and pay full whack if they get genuinely Iâll. May be worth going in with it as a negotiating point ⌠perhaps nothing to lose? You could also consider an income insurance policy in case you get sick. Looked at the policies - they have said that that they currently have someone (a long term employee) on sick and he is being paid - but why put the long term - is it something you get after 5, 10 years. No Sickness in probation period, and can only go off what the contract states at the end of the day.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted September 12, 2023 Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 Businesses want good employees ⌠Iâd give negotiation a try ⌠Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted September 12, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 Just now, Smokersmith said: Businesses want good employees ⌠Iâd give negotiation a try ⌠One further thought - I have a pre-existing lifelong condition that I have to think about - I have a little passenger on my brain - it isn't the C but it does begin with a T....This may have an impact on Sickness cover.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Shot Posted September 12, 2023 Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 I think you already know your answer there Bob. While you may feel that you are stagnating, you seem to have more reasons against taking the new job than you do for the new job. You could always use the offer of a new position as leverage with your existing and negotiate some changes to make the existing position match the new offer a little more. At this moment in time it is very much an employees market and if your management has any sense then they will see that altering your compensation and job role to match a new offer will be in many orders of magnitude cheaper than recruiting your replacement. Sadly, managers are often very poor and unsuited to their positions and will often watch you walk out the door rather than entertain a pay increase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted September 12, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 17 minutes ago, Poor Shot said: will often watch you walk out the door rather than entertain a pay increase. My current company has a long and proud history of doing this...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted September 12, 2023 Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 Depends on the salary difference but also your base salary.  If youâre earning base salary ÂŁ30k at the moment and the new job is ÂŁ10k more then it is a huge increase.  Not so much if your base salary is massive.  I would want to be taking on a decent pay rise if I was moving company to take that risk and give up the current security.   I also assume you have to be on probation for a set time (usually 6-12 months) where they can dismiss you without serious cause if itâs not âworking outâ.  If the new job is ÂŁ10k more, but you were adding ÂŁ10k onto your base salary in your current job with overtime and enhancements then you are giving up the security and taking the risk for very little reward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted September 12, 2023 Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 I think you need to walk. Base salary is king, and no on call is the cherry on top, I doubt you'll notice the extra five hours a week. It does sound like you haven't factored the commute in though? How does that stack up. As for sick pay, no point worrying about it, IMHO. If your 'passenger' starts causing you grief, having less money in your pocket should be the least of your worries. Health is wealth, as they say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted September 12, 2023 Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 Which job will cause you the least amount of stress? I used to earn very good money, but the stress factor was immense, my doctor advised me that it was damaging my health, i quit my job, work for a huge amount less,have great boss's the job is technical enough to keep me interested, but it doesn't stress me out (well a tiny bit at times but not adrenaline inducing stress like i used to have) and i think i have a good work/life balance. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7daysinaweek Posted September 12, 2023 Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 My adage is trade money for time wherever financially possible. Life is short and can be a fickle thing. atb Bob with whichever decision you come to. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yates Posted September 12, 2023 Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 I've recently moved from a salaried position of 40 hours per week at ÂŁ47 per year. Unlimited unpaid 'on call' overtime. Constant stress and managing other people. Did this for the last ten years until I could not cope with the pressure any more. I now work for the local council for ÂŁ23,250 per year. Monday to Friday, no oncall and can choose if I want overtime or not. I have no pressure or stress. SWMBO and other family have commented that I am now the happy outgoing person that I used to be. Take my advice take a position that genuinely makes you happy over the need to make lots of money. Good luck with your choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted September 12, 2023 Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 17 minutes ago, yates said: I've recently moved from a salaried position of 40 hours per week at ÂŁ47 per year. Unlimited unpaid 'on call' overtime. Constant stress and managing other people. Did this for the last ten years until I could not cope with the pressure any more. I now work for the local council for ÂŁ23,250 per year. Monday to Friday, no oncall and can choose if I want overtime or not. I have no pressure or stress. SWMBO and other family have commented that I am now the happy outgoing person that I used to be. Take my advice take a position that genuinely makes you happy over the need to make lots of money. Good luck with your choice Totally agree , a man after my own heart , the op is getting close to 60 so retirement is in sight , if it was me it would be all about job satisfaction and not the income side of it and I certainly wouldn't be worrying myself if I was going to get long term pay if I was off sick , take life as it come and don't let money be the main factor . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agriv8 Posted September 12, 2023 Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 Often the grass appears greener on the other side ! But better the devil you know! On the other hand something made you apply for the new job ! Can you go to new spot and talk to current employees / walk around etc regards Agriv8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbob Posted September 12, 2023 Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 I changed jobs 3 times in my working life for better money and less hours thats the way to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobbyathome Posted September 12, 2023 Report Share Posted September 12, 2023 (edited) Disco Bob itâs a hard choice but just go with what you feel is right for you  asking forum members is getting it off of your chest but you will only end up more  confused  you are happy where you are but itâs been taken over and you think it will change for the worst  dilemma no 1 the new job has no sick pay etc and you sre worried you might have time off with the little man in your head  dilemma no 2 my advice  is stay where you are others advice change jobs  but it all comes down to your own gut feeling whatever happens good luck . Rob Edited September 12, 2023 by nobbyathome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted September 13, 2023 Report Share Posted September 13, 2023 Difficult.  I have seen so many people move jobs, only to return within a year or two as they had found out they were far better off where they were. And those are the lucky ones who can get back in, numerous others never got back! Good luck with whatever you choose to do.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted September 13, 2023 Report Share Posted September 13, 2023 FWIW, my opinion. Stay where you are Bob. Better the one you know? Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted October 3, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2023 Well, an update is required from me on this. After receiving, in effect, a demotion at work due to ârestructuringâ it made my mind up - so today I submitted my notice to my current job.  Also, is there an employment solicitor on here as I am going for constructive dismissal. I received no consultation prior to being called into an online meeting at which point I was handed over to a new manager from the company that bought us out and the move was with immediate effect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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