Trump and Zelensky Oval Office meeting

[old'un]

8 minutes ago, Dave-G said:

Nope 🙂

what as an airgun forum got to-do with this thread??

[Dave-G]

6 minutes ago, old'un said:

what as an airgun forum got to-do with this thread??

It has a link showing a clip of Zelenski twattin trump in the oval office meeting

[old'un]

6 minutes ago, Dave-G said:

It has a link showing a clip of Zelenski twattin trump in the oval office meeting

sorry, all the link is showing me is about selling guns and a login page.

[ordnance]

6 hours ago, Stonepark said:

The problem is that those against a deal and continuing the war, are this time are literally supporting the Nazi's who were put into power after the Ukranian coup in 2014.

Ok Comrade 👍

1 hour ago, NoBodyImportant said:

Eastern Ukraine voted to leave the Ukraine because they wanted to be Russian.  The Ukrainian government started ethnic cleansing the eastern Ukraine region.  That is literally what started this war. Why would eastern Ukrainians flee a Russian occupation when they were wiling to fight and die to escape Ukrainian rule? Ukraine government committed such atrocities in Donetsk and Luhansk that huge protests sprung up in Kyiv.  Have you forgotten about the 2014 revolution?  Eastern Ukraine is 97% Russia speaking.  Ukraine government banned books written in Russian, they ruled that court and all government would be held in Ukrainian,  schools would only be taught in Ukrainian.  This is in a population that didn’t speak Ukrainian.  The Ukrainian constitution agreed to honer any minority over 10% as part of them being granted freedom from the Soviets.  So in accordance to the Ukrainian constitution the states of Donetsk and Luhansk held a vote that was overwhelmingly in support of breaking away from the Ukraine.  This was done in a legal manner according to their on constitution.  In response the Ukrainian government started killing everyone that spoke Russian in the eastern Ukraine.  

It's like reading an RT news article 🙄

[McSpredder]

Is Trump seeking a deal in which the valuable mineral resources of a weakened/defeated Ukraine would be shared between USA and Russia?   

What is to stop Putin from breaking any such agreement and taking the whole lot?   If he were able to do so, it would strengthen Russia and make POTUS look very silly.  

What are Trump’s options for enforcing the deal?   Economic sanctions?   UN Resolution?   Military action against Russia?   What else?

7 hours ago, old man said:

Please help me out here as I don't understand how an invaded country is denounced as bad? 

The French have an explanation:

Cet animal est très méchant, Quand on l'attaque il se défend.

[Houseplant]

Zelenskyy is a native Russian speaker. 

[udderlyoffroad]

41 minutes ago, McSpredder said:

The French have an explanation:

The English have a couple of good ones too…

Honestly it’s not that hard. Zelenskyy is a nasty, nasty piece of work. Should Russia have invaded? Of course not. But the idea that he’s merely some blameless president of a former soviet satellite state, pull the other one.

if you need to see things through the lens of “goodies and baddies”, then I suggest, as one person alluded to, go watch Star Wars.

And before anyone says, given his somewhat nasty predilections, him being the “lesser of 2 evils” compared to Putin will turn out to be at best, somewhat hollow logic.

But of course all those cheering Zelenskyy and continuation of the slaughter will be somewhat quiet when the true horror of what’s happened there is *finally* reported on in the mainstream media. At which point they’ll be harder to find than a lockdown supporter. And as wrong too.

[Red carp]

Basically the world is run by ##### & Trump is the biggest one he truly showed his us Friday his true colours 🤢
 

 

Edited Saturday at 19:35 by Red carp

[Bigbob]

1 hour ago, Red carp said:

Basically the world is run by ##### & Trump is the biggest one he truly showed his us Friday his true colours 🤢
 

What is his agenda though he already is a multi millionaire 

 

[clangerman]

Zelenskyy has only been here a couple of hrs and he’s already £2.6 billion better of! lol 

[steve1066]

5 hours ago, welsh1 said:

will the usa let china take back taiwan? 

I don’t think the yanks can be trusted of anything anymore, but they are easy to predict, the direction they will go will be where the buck is, Trump is just your typical builders CEO bully.

The yanks cannot be happy with how he conducts himself. 
I can’t see him lasting long.

5 hours ago, janner said:

Nice to read such a concise answer, well done for researching  all of this first hand,

Some just read and believe partisan nonsense they read on the internet, posted by those with vested interests and swallow it, hook, line and sinker.

And thus the lies and propaganda spread 'til they are believed.

 

 

 

Exactly janner

Edited Saturday at 21:57 by steve1066

[Dave-G]

Does anyone else think it all went downhill as soon as Trump saw Zelenski was disrespectfully wearing a sweater for the very important business of meeting the POTUS? 

I saw something about Trump commenting on his clothing and that was further rubbished by someone else in the meeting.

[NoBodyImportant]

1 hour ago, Dave-G said:

Does anyone else think it all went downhill as soon as Trump saw Zelenski was disrespectfully wearing a sweater for the very important business of meeting the POTUS? 

I saw something about Trump commenting on his clothing and that was further rubbished by someone else in the meeting.

Trump said he like the way he liked the sweater when the reporter commented on how he was dressed

1 hour ago, steve1066 said:

I don’t think the yanks can be trusted of anything anymore, but they are easy to predict, the direction they will go will be where the buck is, Trump is just your typical builders CEO bully.

The yanks cannot be happy with how he conducts himself. 
I can’t see him lasting long.

Exactly janner

Wrong, we love him.  Even democrats I work with admit he is taking the US in the right direction.  Hands down the greatest leader of my lifetime.  

[NoBodyImportant]

As far as China taking Taiwan i honestly think Trump will see what nato does.  Trump will help if the rest of the world does.  But I don’t see the USA doing it alone.  They could do it alone, but they will want the world to help with the cost. 

[welsh1]

42 minutes ago, NoBodyImportant said:

As far as China taking Taiwan i honestly think Trump will see what nato does.  Trump will help if the rest of the world does.  But I don’t see the USA doing it alone.  They could do it alone, but they will want the world to help with the cost. 

Taiwan has nothing to do with NATO, if the USA should want the assistance of NATO countries in the future, then it should think carefully about what it does now.

 

[ShootingEgg]

1 hour ago, NoBodyImportant said:

Trump said he like the way he liked the sweater when the reporter commented on how he was dressed

So it was jumped up Vance getting all power hungry that took issue with no suit. It was a very strange conversation. That turned sour quickly.

[Stonepark]

12 hours ago, janner said:

Oh dear,

A quisling is a collaborator,

Q. The politician that farage admires the most?.

Vidkun Abraham Lauritz Jonssøn Quisling (/ˈkwɪzlɪŋ/; Norwegian: [ˈʋɪ̂dkʉn ˈkʋɪ̂slɪŋ] ^ⓘ; 18 July 1887 – 24 October 1945) was a Norwegian military officer, politician and Nazi collaborator who headed the government of Norway during the country's occupation by Nazi Germany during World War II.

 

 

[NoBodyImportant]

1 hour ago, ShootingEgg said:

So it was jumped up Vance getting all power hungry that took issue with no suit. It was a very strange conversation. That turned sour quickly.

I only remember the reporter asking about it to be honest.  I’m not saying it didn’t happen, I just remember the reporter asking about it and Trump saying he liked the sweater. 

[NoBodyImportant]

9 hours ago, welsh1 said:

will the usa let china take back taiwan? 

This is exactly what I’m talking about.  AIDS in Congo , what is the USA going to do to stop the spread?  Tsunami in Asia, what is America going do to rebuild? Famine in Somalia, will America send food? China invades Taiwan, what will America do?   This is why I’m so against NATO.  What’s the point of the USA being the largest financial contributor to NATO if America is going to have to solve the worlds problems.  The moment you think about China invading Taiwan your default response is what is America? 

[12gauge82]

4 hours ago, NoBodyImportant said:

This is exactly what I’m talking about.  AIDS in Congo , what is the USA going to do to stop the spread?  Tsunami in Asia, what is America going do to rebuild? Famine in Somalia, will America send food? China invades Taiwan, what will America do?   This is why I’m so against NATO.  What’s the point of the USA being the largest financial contributor to NATO if America is going to have to solve the worlds problems.  The moment you think about China invading Taiwan your default response is what is America? 

I think you are viewing some of these issues in a very one dimensional manner. China is very much a problem for the USA and a growing one at that. Imagine a world where Russia controlled Europe and China the rest. If you noticed one of the thing Zelensky said that angered Trump the most was telling him that he would feel it in the future. 

China is projected to overtake the USA both economically and militarily in the near future. The USA is going to need all the friends it can get if it doesn't want to go the same way as Great Britain and they don't want to live in a world where the main players are no longer democracys. 

Trump accused Zelensky of playing with WW3, Trump is currently playing with a new world order. 

[Pukka Bundook]

Gentlemen,

This is a thread that  is going nowhere.

I cannot understand why you are bashing Trump when he is doing Exactly the right thing.

Member here 

NoBodyimportant  has mentioned numerous times the Ethnic cleansing that Has occured in the two provinces which Want to leave the Ukraine and become part of Russia.

He has been very largly ignored.

I do see some in agreement but many seem oblivious to these facts.

Noone in the western world or anywhere else had the balls to do anything about this Except Putin.

So this makes him out to be the bad guy?

Oh that life were so simple!

I ask you Trump and Putin bashers,

Why do you support a government guilty of ethnic cleansing of those who wish to leave the Ukraine?

Why do you support a government which cannot account for the vast majority of the money it has been handed?..Billions and billions if dollars?

Its Ok if you try and bash me over this, l don't care, but for Gods sake, its time to look at the facts and not swallow and repeat all the **** the media is spewing about this and a lot of other things!

This topic is long already, so will say no more.

All the best,

R.

 

 

 

[mel b3]

21 minutes ago, Pukka Bundook said:

Gentlemen,

This is a thread that  is going nowhere.

I cannot understand why you are bashing Trump when he is doing Exactly the right thing.

Member here 

NoBodyimportant  has mentioned numerous times the Ethnic cleansing that Has occured in the two provinces which Want to leave the Ukraine and become part of Russia.

He has been very largly ignored.

I do see some in agreement but many seem oblivious to these facts.

Noone in the western world or anywhere else had the balls to do anything about this Except Putin.

So this makes him out to be the bad guy?

Oh that life were so simple!

I ask you Trump and Putin bashers,

Why do you support a government guilty of ethnic cleansing of those who wish to leave the Ukraine?

Why do you support a government which cannot account for the vast majority of the money it has been handed?..Billions and billions if dollars?

Its Ok if you try and bash me over this, l don't care, but for Gods sake, its time to look at the facts and not swallow and repeat all the **** the media is spewing about this and a lot of other things!

This topic is long already, so will say no more.

All the best,

R.

 

 

 

Well said sir 👍.

[welsh1]

5 hours ago, NoBodyImportant said:

This is exactly what I’m talking about.  AIDS in Congo , what is the USA going to do to stop the spread?  Tsunami in Asia, what is America going do to rebuild? Famine in Somalia, will America send food? China invades Taiwan, what will America do?   This is why I’m so against NATO.  What’s the point of the USA being the largest financial contributor to NATO if America is going to have to solve the worlds problems.  The moment you think about China invading Taiwan your default response is what is America? 

If America wants to interfere in world politics then go ahead, you seem to be confused as to the role of NATO and what its mandate is.

I mentioned Taiwan because the USA arm it and protect it, but if China invade the USA will need assistance, it cannot win by itself, why should other countries assist the USA? It's a two way street, if you want to be a bully and humiliate and threaten others, don't be surprised when no assistance is offered.

 

 

[NoBodyImportant]

2 minutes ago, welsh1 said:

If America wants to interfere in world politics then go ahead, you seem to be confused as to the role of NATO and what its mandate is.

I mentioned Taiwan because the USA arm it and protect it, but if China invade the USA will need assistance, it cannot win by itself, why should other countries assist the USA? It's a two way street, if you want to be a bully and humiliate and threaten others, don't be surprised when no assistance is offered.

 

 

America could easily take on China.  But as a tax payer I don’t think it’s our duty.  

[welsh1]

19 minutes ago, NoBodyImportant said:

America could easily take on China.  But as a tax payer I don’t think it’s our duty.  

I think you should look at all the main studies done by your own country when it comes to China, especially where Taiwan is involved, the gist is that China as well as invading Taiwan will strike at all your forces in South Korea and surrounding areas,the effect of this is that the reinforcements that are needed to get to taiwan are drawn from there, the USA will essentially be fighting on multiple fronts with each unable to assist the other.

No superpower is invincible or goes on forever, you forget that this tiny island of Britain once ruled most of the world with an empire bigger than the world has ever seen to date, we are now but a cog in the wheel, but we have knowledge and vast experience in world politics.

Don't dismiss or bully your allies, you may need their help one day, help that may not be offered.