garjo Posted Thursday at 06:28 Report Share Posted Thursday at 06:28 https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/mar/06/lead-uk-game-shooting-study?CMP=share_btn_url Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted Thursday at 06:35 Report Share Posted Thursday at 06:35 Well that's that then. The END. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyH Posted Thursday at 07:11 Report Share Posted Thursday at 07:11 Brilliant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holloway Posted Thursday at 07:34 Report Share Posted Thursday at 07:34 (edited) All official evidence taken from game dealers ,so if they do ban lead and retest from game dealers in 5 years time they will deem the law is not being adhered to and ban all shooting of game . And it could all have been avoided. Edited Thursday at 07:35 by holloway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellors Posted Thursday at 07:55 Report Share Posted Thursday at 07:55 We'll have to wait and see on the 13 th. Looks like its done now Its a shame it wasn't handled better by our associations. Hopefully there's a chance for small calibres to continue but it doesn't look good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konor Posted Thursday at 09:24 Report Share Posted Thursday at 09:24 (edited) That illustrates perfectly the flawed approach taken by most of our shooting organisations to the lead shot issue. Anti fieldsports representatives are now able to manipulate the agenda despite no scientific evidence that measured the impact of lead shot use inland. The failure to contest further restrictions by questioning the available data and critically evaluating any evidence put forward to support a ban was a huge mistake. Instead the organisations conceded and in doing so confirmed the need for a ban to those supporting a ban solely as an attack on shooting sports. Edited Thursday at 09:27 by Konor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Shot Posted Thursday at 09:54 Report Share Posted Thursday at 09:54 28 minutes ago, Konor said: That illustrates perfectly the flawed approach taken by most of our shooting organisations to the lead shot issue. Anti fieldsports representatives are now able to manipulate the agenda despite no scientific evidence that measured the impact of lead shot use inland. The failure to contest further restrictions by questioning the available data and critically evaluating any evidence put forward to support a ban was a huge mistake. Instead the organisations conceded and in doing so confirmed the need for a ban to those supporting a ban solely as an attack on shooting sports. Turn back the clock 10-15 years, what would you have done differently? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted Thursday at 10:03 Report Share Posted Thursday at 10:03 Hello, I shall keep using Lead Cartridges till i run out or i run out 😄, How many on PW have eaten Pigeons. Pheasant, Duck, Rabbit all shot with lead and still here , Our home had all 4 for cooking back in the 1960s, not forgetting those i gave/ sold to as those days house keeping money was tight for many families, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellors Posted Thursday at 10:14 Report Share Posted Thursday at 10:14 Reading the report it looks to me like all shotguns will be banned from lead. As was said a long time ago if they grant exemption for smaller calibers people will just switch to them. Its out of our hands now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konor Posted Thursday at 10:19 Report Share Posted Thursday at 10:19 19 minutes ago, Poor Shot said: Turn back the clock 10-15 years, what would you have done differently? 10-15 years ago there was no call for a ban on the use of lead shot inland. The logical approach when evidence was presented to bring about a lead shot ban away from wetlands would have been to instigate research to determine the impact of lead shot use over various grounds used for a range of shooting activities. If lead shot was found to have had a sufficient impact then a more measured response could have been promoted hopefully with the backing of the shooting community convinced by the evidence presented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konor Posted Thursday at 10:25 Report Share Posted Thursday at 10:25 27 minutes ago, Poor Shot said: Turn back the clock 10-15 years, what would you have done differently? Do you think that completely banning the use of lead shot with it’s estimated 1% impact on game bird populations is justified ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted Thursday at 11:08 Report Share Posted Thursday at 11:08 Of course they found lead pellets in pheasant it’s not illegal it’s a voluntary transition I’m pretty sure if the game dealers were stipulating steel only and testing for it it would be a different story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feltwad Posted Thursday at 11:49 Report Share Posted Thursday at 11:49 It is encouraging lead shot news for those people who shoot historic weapons eg muzzle loading shotguns or breech loading shotgun because alternative ammunition would risk damage to them .It is recognize that their use is limited in volume and the risk therefor would be low Feltwad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNKS Posted Thursday at 12:32 Report Share Posted Thursday at 12:32 so as I see it a ban on lead shot is to protect us all from lead poisoning "right" So who in the past "when a lot more lead shot game was eaten" has suffered from this? I would say that our Royal family has consumed more game than most people and it seems to have not done them much harm. Take for instance the late Queen and her mum. Just where is the danger? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted Thursday at 12:48 Report Share Posted Thursday at 12:48 12 minutes ago, DUNKS said: so as I see it a ban on lead shot is to protect us all from lead poisoning "right" So who in the past "when a lot more lead shot game was eaten" has suffered from this? I would say that our Royal family has consumed more game than most people and it seems to have not done them much harm. Take for instance the late Queen and her mum. Just where is the danger? As you are well aware, I personally have eaten lead shot game at least once per week for well over sixty years. Almost my staple diet. The proposed ban is nothing to do with lead poisoning really, is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted Thursday at 12:50 Report Share Posted Thursday at 12:50 1 minute ago, London Best said: As you are well aware, I personally have eaten lead shot game at least once per week for well over sixty years. Almost my staple diet. The proposed ban is nothing to do with lead poisoning really, is it? Just a "CLASS ACTION" against shooting in general, poorly hidden behind the toxicity issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted Thursday at 12:52 Report Share Posted Thursday at 12:52 16 minutes ago, DUNKS said: so as I see it a ban on lead shot is to protect us all from lead poisoning "right" So who in the past "when a lot more lead shot game was eaten" has suffered from this? I would say that our Royal family has consumed more game than most people and it seems to have not done them much harm. Take for instance the late Queen and her mum. Just where is the danger? If the removal of Lead is for human protection, then why are water companies still allowed to use the Lead pipework? Why do trauma surgeons leave Lead bullets in gunshot victims? It is just a stick to beat us with. 1 minute ago, London Best said: The proposed ban is nothing to do with lead poisoning really, is it? ^^^This^^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted Thursday at 12:53 Report Share Posted Thursday at 12:53 the thread title should read lead shot FAKE report in todays news! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted Thursday at 14:03 Report Share Posted Thursday at 14:03 1 hour ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Just a "CLASS ACTION" against shooting in general, poorly hidden behind the toxicity issue. Correct, it's all 'locks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konor Posted Thursday at 14:45 Report Share Posted Thursday at 14:45 1 hour ago, London Best said: The proposed ban is nothing to do with lead poisoning really, is it? From what I gathered from the now locked lead ingestion thread the concern was the danger of lead poisoning to all birds that were prone to ingest lead shot even extending to woodpeckers extracting spent lead shot from tree bark. Still no figures to quantify the extent of the impact on birds shown to have ingested lead shot however. Mixed signals from BASC on this ,plenty of data produced apparently in support of a lead shot ban but a stated policy of voluntary compliance. It’s all been said before on various threads ad nauseum. Certainly a godsend to those who will never eat game meat but whose intention is to bring about the abolition of shooting live quarry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamch Posted Thursday at 18:05 Report Share Posted Thursday at 18:05 The EU report was released this week with a 3 year transition but interestingly common sense prevailed an no ban on lead shot on clay grounds. Plenty of effective steel loads out there, fowlers have been using them for years and muzzle loaders can use bismuth, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feltwad Posted Thursday at 18:37 Report Share Posted Thursday at 18:37 19 minutes ago, grahamch said: The EU report was released this week with a 3 year transition but interestingly common sense prevailed an no ban on lead shot on clay grounds. Plenty of effective steel loads out there, fowlers have been using them for years and muzzle loaders can use bismuth, If you read the report of the Commission Regulation paper paragraph 39 explains why lead shot is allowed in muzzle loaders and early breech loaders Feltwad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8 shot Posted Thursday at 19:55 Report Share Posted Thursday at 19:55 Nothing to see here......... it's The Guardian for goodness sake, it's made out of recycled toilet paper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted Thursday at 20:04 Report Share Posted Thursday at 20:04 13 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Well that's that then. The END. Good to know you don’t give up easily. 1 hour ago, grahamch said: The EU report was released this week with a 3 year transition but interestingly common sense prevailed an no ban on lead shot on clay grounds. Got a linky? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eightlittlebits Posted Thursday at 22:28 Report Share Posted Thursday at 22:28 2 hours ago, udderlyoffroad said: Got a linky? Draft regulation here, https://ec.europa.eu/transparency/comitology-register/screen/documents/105447/1/consult?lang=en Seems some sort of registration scheme for clay grounds to exempt them from the ban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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