Twistedsanity Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Now the dust has settled it appears the police took 12 mins to respond, 8 mins to neutralise the threat, fired a whopping 50 rounds at 3 people and also managed to shoot a member of the public in the head, source is the guardian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 And your point is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 And your point is? +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Damned if they do and damned if they don't. The police, by the very nature of crime ( without intelligence to pre-empt ) are a reactive force. I'm no fan but under the circumstances I think they did everything that could reasonably be expected of them. They cannot be everywhere, which is why I'm a proponent of civilian armed defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyshooter Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 And if police had not been there in 8 minutes ?? These nutters are not representing any religion, if they where, they would ask their victims what religion, they, (the attacked) were, before assaulting them, surely they would not wish to hurt their own kind, they, the nutters, will kill any body they can get at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Its almost as if you're saying 12 monites isnt good enough!!!! Christ what are you expecting, them to teleport to the location in seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontastic Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Now the dust has settled it appears the police took 12 mins to respond, 8 mins to neutralise the threat, fired a whopping 50 rounds at 3 people and also managed to shoot a member of the public in the head, source is the guardian. I know 50 rounds is disgusting, you'd think they'd have more rounds than that to put into them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyshooter Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 I think Twistedsanity was only making a comment, although I thought I heard the member of the public suffered shrapnel injury to the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebarrels Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 (edited) 8-12 minutes is a fantastic response time,and all 3 terrorists were taken out in that time. Remember the police are going in blind initially,and also into a confusing hostile environment,I for one commend their professionalism and bravery.BB And I don't think one civilian getting injured by the police discharging that amount of ammunition is too bad,especially when you think the damage inflicted by the terrorists with a van and knives. Edited June 5, 2017 by Bluebarrels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 And if police had not been there in 8 minutes ?? These nutters are not representing any religion, if they where, they would ask their victims what religion, they, (the attacked) were, before assaulting them, surely they would not wish to hurt their own kind, they, the nutters, will kill any body they can get at. Course they would hurt their own. Muslims have killed Muslims for generations. All this they don't represent their religion is complete rubbish, there are many forms of Islam some are stricter than others. Westernised Muslims would be seen the same as westerners. 23,000 estimated Jihadis in this country, this isn't just a few... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadkill Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 the police did a great job and saved many lifes that night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyshooter Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Your knowledge on the subject over whelms me Richie10, I personally have not been as close to these people as yourself, I stand corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 And if police had not been there in 8 minutes ?? These nutters are not representing any religion, if they where, they would ask their victims what religion, they, (the attacked) were, before assaulting them, surely they would not wish to hurt their own kind, they, the nutters, will kill any body they can get at. Well according to the interviews with people who knew the attacker/s the week before this incident the people involved were going around their neighbours, knocking on the doors and offering cakes and sweets (Ramadan religious festival) then a week later they were killing the very same people. They pick their times and areas so the chances of true Muslims being there is less likely, but as we have seen from other Muslim countries they do kill their own kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnie&bezza Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Am I correct in saying that once an armed officer shoots someone they are suspended until investigation is finished and that can take 2 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yod dropper Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 And your point is? The point is to wind people up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 I don't care if they fired 500 rounds they did what they had to do, three men with what looked like bombs around their bodies they needed stopping and stopping quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyshooter Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Wow...lots of very learned folk on here, I'm really impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 (edited) Was it the Iranian Embassy or the Death on the Rock incident where the special forces chap was asked why he shot the assailant 30 times to which he responded "because I ran out of bullets". I don't know if it's fact or fiction but having watched some of the you tube videos that fly around, it's clear that people don't react as they do in the films when shot - they don't drop like a sack of spuds and it's only rounds into vital organs and loss of blood that does the trick and that takes time and bullets. Indeed, factor in adrenalin or drugs and it's even longer. I remember there was a video of a US cop shooting a man in a park - he shot the bloke 12 times with a glock as he ran away and the bloke made it a good 100 yards before expiring. We've all at some point shot an animal before (lethally on target into a vital organ) with expanding ammo and been amazed how far it's made away. "Get the bullets down range and on target, there's no prizes for style" © Stuart, Croatia 2009 . Edited June 5, 2017 by Mungler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Now the dust has settled it appears the police took 12 mins to respond, 8 mins to neutralise the threat, fired a whopping 50 rounds at 3 people and also managed to shoot a member of the public in the head, source is the guardian. Which attack(s) are you referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Mate said this to me at work re 50 rounds shot and only 3 terrorists. My answer was if it was me pulling the trigger he'd of been getting round after round until the scum hit the bottom. Remember these scum had unknown to officers ( dummy bombs strapped to them). The police did a teriffic job and one that we should be entirely grateful that they acted like they did.How many more people could of been killed if they hadn't took the action they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontastic Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Was it the Iranian Embassy or the Death on the Rock incident where the special forces chap was asked why he shot the assailant 30 times to which he responded "because I ran out of bullets". I don't know if it's fact or fiction but having watched some of the you tube videos that fly around, it's clear that people don't react as they do in the films when shot - they don't drop like a sack of spuds and it's only rounds into vital organs and loss of blood that does the trick and that takes time and bullets. Indeed, factor in adrenalin or drugs and it's even longer. I remember there was a video of a US cop shooting a man in a park - he shot the bloke 12 times with a glock as he ran away and the bloke made it a good 100 yards before expiring. We've all at some point shot an animal before (lethally on target into a vital organ) with expanding ammo and been amazed how far it's made away. "Get the bullets down range and on target, there's no prizes for style" © Stuart, Croatia 2009 . I don't think anyone on Gibraltar had 30 bullets in them, one terrorist was shot 17 times but that was with all 4 members shooting him. But they did what was needed to get the job done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Indeed, if you have shot some nutter with a weapon and he's still on his feet and coming at you - well, you'd be mad not to keep going until you reached the desired result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 the police did a great job and saved many lifes that night hello, A BIG PLUS 1 and lets not forget the paramedics/ hospital staff and brave members of the public. words utterly fail me on what is happening in our country i call great britain yet there are people who are hell bent on destroying our way of life, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.w. Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 The point is to wind people up. That's six months, they keep you hanging, now that surely can't be correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 (edited) Dead is dead does it matter if took two bullets or 200 so long as they can't hurt anyone else. Edited June 5, 2017 by figgy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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