Lloyd90 Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 What difference do the different kind of stocks make to a SxS? Straight hand? Prince of Wales? Woodward Grip? Semi pistol / rounded? Full pistol Grip? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centrepin Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, JohnfromUK said: Chas Maleham springs to mind. I have a sleeved Maleham ......... but made (I'm told) by W & C Scott. Pic in ths thread I know a little about Arthur Turners guns, his shop has only recently closed down. His son runs our local Sunday shoot and rifle range. Many years ago Arthur Turners refurbished and rebuilt a Henry Martini for me, sadly it wasn't owned by me and the family sold it without me having a say when grandad passed. 12 hours ago, Scully said: If you scroll down a bit there are three free to a good home. I saw them yesterday and had they been closer to Sheffield would have replied. They sound a bargain waiting to be collected. Once I've sold my current one, SBS, non hammer, single trigger, non ejector in sales at moment I'll be looking in ernest for one. Edited March 28, 2021 by Centrepin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 Fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 Surely this is the one to go for........................................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 9 hours ago, Lloyd90 said: What difference do the different kind of stocks make to a SxS? Straight hand? Prince of Wales? Woodward Grip? Semi pistol / rounded? Full pistol Grip? I find the straight hand much the easiest to use with double triggers, as the hand really needs to slide back slightly for the second trigger. I am never aware of doing this until I shoot a double trigger gun with a semi or full pistol grip, and then I notice. Both my .410’s have semi pistol grips. Both the Woodward and Prince of Wales grips have a less steep curve to the grip and supposedly help. Whilst I have handled guns with both these types of grip I have never used one in the field. Both are more elegant than semi or full pistol to my eyes. Just my take on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 Well, all of my shotguns will be using lead shot for the forseeable future and I need to correct a previous contribution, I now have three side by sides having recently acquiring a neat litle Parker Hale/Midland 410 hammer gun and cannot wait for the first partridge day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 (edited) 33 minutes ago, London Best said: I find the straight hand much the easiest to use with double triggers, as the hand really needs to slide back slightly for the second trigger. I am never aware of doing this until I shoot a double trigger gun with a semi or full pistol grip, and then I notice. I don't really notice moving the hand (or not) - to the extent that I'm not really sure that I do move it! I much prefer straight hand - though Prince of Wales/semi pistol are OK. I have small hands and a full pistol can be difficult to use, especially with a palm swell. A friend has a Perazzi with a large palm swell pistol grip and it is not at all comfortable for me. Years ago I had a Beretta pistol grip 'slimmed' as it was just too large for my hand. What often isn't mentioned is that straight hand grips vary a lot in both circumference and cross section. I believe Holland and Holland tend to have a diamond(ish) shaped cross section (hope I have got that right!). I have a Powell which is very slim 'in the hand' and even I find that a little too slim. Edited March 28, 2021 by JohnfromUK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 20 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: I don't really notice moving the hand (or not) - to the extent that I'm not really sure that I do move it! I much prefer straight hand - though Prince of Wales/semi pistol are OK. I have small hands and a full pistol can be difficult to use, especially with a palm swell. A friend has a Perazzi with a large palm swell pistol grip and it is not at all comfortable for me. Years ago I had a Beretta pistol grip 'slimmed' as it was just too large for my hand. What often isn't mentioned is that straight hand grips vary a lot in both circumference and cross section. I believe Holland and Holland tend to have a diamond(ish) shaped cross section (hope I have got that right!). I have a Powell which is very slim 'in the hand' and even I find that a little too slim. Right enough! I had a 687EELL for which I think they used the shaft of Thor's hammer as a pattern. A Churchill XXV Utility and a Regal were ridiculously small. A Chapuis was good except I had to reach for the front trigger a little. Finally got it spot on with a W&S 702 version of the XXV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNKS Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Surely this is the one to go for........................................... THANKS.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centrepin Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 1 hour ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Surely this is the one to go for........................................... 47 minutes ago, DUNKS said: Tis without a doubt a thing of beauty but in my case it fails in two categories. Not English and no hammers. Surprised it's still for sale though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 2 hours ago, JohnfromUK said: I don't really notice moving the hand (or not) - to the extent that I'm not really sure that I do move it! I much prefer straight hand - though Prince of Wales/semi pistol are OK. I have small hands and a full pistol can be difficult to use, especially with a palm swell. A friend has a Perazzi with a large palm swell pistol grip and it is not at all comfortable for me. Years ago I had a Beretta pistol grip 'slimmed' as it was just too large for my hand. What often isn't mentioned is that straight hand grips vary a lot in both circumference and cross section. I believe Holland and Holland tend to have a diamond(ish) shaped cross section (hope I have got that right!). I have a Powell which is very slim 'in the hand' and even I find that a little too slim. My hands are medium/large but I prefer a slim grip. You are correct that H&H generally use a diamond section. I had both my previous regular game guns altered to this shape before I bought my H&H, as it was my preferred shape. Too slim for some. As a friend put it, “like a virgin’s waist.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNKS Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Centrepin said: Tis without a doubt a thing of beauty but in my case it fails in two categories. Not English and no hammers. Surprised it's still for sale though. Hows this for English and hammers then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 NICE !! I think I agree that a straight hand stock lends itself to double triggers but there again shoot enough variations and over enough time and everything just seems to click anyway. Having almost 70yrs of shooting shotguns of all shapes and sizes I honestly never have to stop and think about triggers. NOW I may have to stop and think shooting my new little 410 hammer as I have not shot a hammer gun for over 60 years. We will see if the old brain clicks in or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centrepin Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 1 hour ago, DUNKS said: Hows this for English and hammers then That sir is gorgeous looking, is it free to a good and caring home by any chance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNKS Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 8 minutes ago, Centrepin said: That sir is gorgeous looking, is it free to a good and caring home by any chance? Not quite I fear. My son bought it for me at Christmas 1835ish English percussion muzzle loader. Sherwood of Portsmouth. lots of smoke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 On 28/03/2021 at 00:03, Lloyd90 said: What difference do the different kind of stocks make to a SxS? Straight hand? Prince of Wales? Woodward Grip? Semi pistol / rounded? Full pistol Grip? Supposedly the straight grip makes it easier to shift from front trigger to rear trigger on a double trigger gun. So why then are most hammer guns with double triggers equipped with a traditional "half pistol hand"? Supposedly (that word again) it gives a better retention of the gun when heavy loads are being used. The PoW or Woodward is I think mostly fashion. I actually don't like how they look at all. On a single trigger gun as there is no need to shift from front to rear trigger they maybe have a benefit of better retention of the gun? Yet if so you'll still rarely see them on the "house standard" single trigger Boss side-by-side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 23 minutes ago, enfieldspares said: So why then are most hammer guns with double triggers equipped with a traditional "half pistol hand"? In my limited experience (the 3 hammer guns I have owned) all are straight hand. I had never thought of half (or full) pistol grip as being any more common on hammer guns, but I have never really counted. I will have to look more closely when I see them advertised! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 10 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: In my limited experience (the 3 hammer guns I have owned) all are straight hand. I had never thought of half (or full) pistol grip as being any more common on hammer guns, but I have never really counted. I will have to look more closely when I see them advertised! I have 3 hammer guns at present. The two 12’s, a Ward and a Dickson, are both straight hand but the W. Richards .410 is half pistol. I notice that many Midland Gun Co. hammer guns are half pistol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 With the exception of a ten bore all my side by sides are straighthand stocks. Not sure it’s a matter of gun retention for heavy loads either. Many 8 bores, including mine have straight hand stocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted April 5, 2021 Report Share Posted April 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, Dave at kelton said: With the exception of a ten bore all my side by sides are straighthand stocks. Not sure it’s a matter of gun retention for heavy loads either. Many 8 bores, including mine have straight hand stocks. Apart from my two fourtens, which are novelties really, all my six other SxS’s are straight hand. For regular use I would not buy a SxS unless it had a straight hand stock. JMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord v Posted April 8, 2021 Report Share Posted April 8, 2021 I find straight hand stocks much less forgiving on fit than say a half pistol. If I am buying a cheap(ish) SxS I favour anything other than a straight hand unless it would be worthwhile getting it fitted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry78 Posted April 9, 2021 Report Share Posted April 9, 2021 Just of a side note Of topic I just won a skeet competition in are local Wildfowling club using a Aya no3 magnum side/side beaver tail fore end and pistol grip 👍👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmicblue Posted April 9, 2021 Report Share Posted April 9, 2021 Have acquired a 28" Zabala SbS believed to be around 50 years old as a project gun, originally sought as a lockdown distraction but came too late is rough but all there.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted April 11, 2021 Report Share Posted April 11, 2021 (edited) Well chaps awesome day today had the privilege to shoot with a bit of history 😊 not sure if any of you take the double gun journal but those who are familiar with it would possibly read the article on the first paradox rifle made by Holland and Holland Absolutely fantastic old hammer gun and a privilege to be allowed to have a few shots with it 😊 still smiling not often you get to shoot a museum piece Edited April 11, 2021 by Old farrier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted April 11, 2021 Report Share Posted April 11, 2021 I am familiar with the Paradox (invention of a Colonel Fosbery), but never handled let alone shot one. David Baker published a book, but I don't have a copy and it is expensive to acquire now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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