gemini52 Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 A friend of my brother has had his shotguns and firearms removed, his dog bit another dog outside his property,the feo has said he has comitted an offence by not being in control of his dog.Any feedback would be appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 Crikey! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 That sounds a bit harsh. What kind of dog was it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 Maybe they're worried the dog might shoot someone next time. Can't be too careful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 A bit more to that story than we are getting I believe................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 I think you or your brother has been told some twaddle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 Any excuse to remove guns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 Can we have the full script before being asked to comment further. Has the man been convicted of any offence? The FEO can't say he has actually committed an offence, without him going through the legal process. Was the dog with him, on a lead or had it escaped from his property? On the basis of the initial post, I would take it with a pinch of salt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini52 Posted October 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 43 minutes ago, Gordon R said: Can we have the full script before being asked to comment further. Has the man been convicted of any offence? The FEO can't say he has actually committed an offence, without him going through the legal process. Was the dog with him, on a lead or had it escaped from his property? On the basis of the initial post, I would take it with a pinch of salt. This is true,my brother is taking two of his shotguns,according to the feo its happend before the dog has bit other dogs in the past,the owner of the other dog is a serving police officer,apparantly he has taken time on the sick with stress,he has been given three weeks to sort out his guns or they are going for scrap,the dog was in the yard with the gate open,the guy was walking past with his dog,so i presume the incident happend on the pavement,as said any excuse to take guns off decent people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 I dont think that's the whole story but remain open minded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billytheghillie Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 was this in scouse land? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hod Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, gemini52 said: This is true,my brother is taking two of his shotguns,according to the feo its happend before the dog has bit other dogs in the past,the owner of the other dog is a serving police officer,apparantly he has taken time on the sick with stress,he has been given three weeks to sort out his guns or they are going for scrap,the dog was in the yard with the gate open,the guy was walking past with his dog,so i presume the incident happend on the pavement,as said any excuse to take guns off decent people. If (big if) I’ve followed this correctly, said dog has bitten other dogs before, and on this occasion was not secured in the property/garden, got out and bitten another dog? One of my neighbours got in trouble in very similar circumstances (albeit it was people his dog liked a taste of), ultimately got only a warning from the court but was charged with the offence. The big factor is my neighbour knew his dog was disposed to this sort of behaviour and was deemed to not have taken necessary steps to prevent it. On the first occasion despite police involvement there were no charges, apparently. This being the sole reason someone has guns taken from them, I would find very surprising to say the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 17 minutes ago, gemini52 said: This is true,my brother is taking two of his shotguns,according to the feo its happend before the dog has bit other dogs in the past,the owner of the other dog is a serving police officer,apparantly he has taken time on the sick with stress,he has been given three weeks to sort out his guns or they are going for scrap,the dog was in the yard with the gate open,the guy was walking past with his dog,so i presume the incident happend on the pavement,as said any excuse to take guns off decent people. If it has happened before and the chap allowed it to happen again he's not learning is he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzicat Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 If you have a spare cartridge, why would you own a dog that bites? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 Right lets get this straight: He owns a dog that likes biting other dogs, it has done this on more than one occasion previously going by what you've posted? So he leaves it in the garden with the gate open? I don't think i'd trust him with guns if he can't keep a dog under control! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 I dont know the law but if farmers can legally shoot a dog that is harassing livestock as it is not under control id guess that 'not controlling' will have some kind of legality around it. Proper wording is only a Google away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 And as I said, a Google away and you get this It is a criminal offence (for the owner and/or the person in charge of the dog) to allow a dog to be 'dangerously out of control'. A 'dangerously out of control' dog can be defined as a dog that has injured someone or a dog that a person has grounds for reasonable apprehension that it may do so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 I think finding out that the dog in question have done it before ( how many times ? ) and the gate was left open , leave me with very little sympathy for the owner of the dog and the ( temporary )loss of his guns . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 15 minutes ago, guzzicat said: If you have a spare cartridge, why would you own a dog that bites? Now, now, careful! Actually I used to have a dog that bit people. Border collie - well bred too, but a sly back-of-the-leg grabber if people came on the place. Didn't shoot him though - sold him back down into Wales where he'd originated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzicat Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, Retsdon said: Now, now, careful! Actually I used to have a dog that bit people. Border collie - well bred too, but a sly back-of-the-leg grabber if people came on the place. Didn't shoot him though - sold him back down into Wales where he'd originated. To bite a kid in Wales? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 The FEO can say he might have committed an offence, but at that stage it is an allegation - not proven. Quote as said any excuse to take guns off decent people. His actions suggest he is anything but "decent people". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winston72 Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 36 minutes ago, Big Mat said: Right lets get this straight: He owns a dog that likes biting other dogs, it has done this on more than one occasion previously going by what you've posted? So he leaves it in the garden with the gate open? I don't think i'd trust him with guns if he can't keep a dog under control! +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 "Your dogs bit my dog" (Very irate man with a bit if a red face) "If it does that again ill shoot it" May not be word for word but i can just imagine it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davewh100 Posted October 19, 2018 Report Share Posted October 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Dougy said: "Your dogs bit my dog" (Very irate man with a bit if a red face) "If it does that again ill shoot it" May not be word for word but i can just imagine it. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 (edited) 14 hours ago, guzzicat said: To bite a kid in Wales? No, to run in sheepdog trials down there. We're talking 30 years ago and I sold him for £1500. Anyway, he didn't bite randomly. He only bit if someone walked right in front of his kennel and he could sneak out and get behind them without them seeing him.Otherwise he was absolutely fine. If he'd been kept in a kennel with a fenced run, I likely wouldn't even have known about this foible he had. And I didn't sell him because he bit, I sold him because he wasn't versatile enough a dog for me to want to keep. Besides, the lad who bought him knew all about him and wasn't bothered. Edited October 20, 2018 by Retsdon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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