Scully Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 I grew up in a modest semi detached with an average sized garden which my parents ( primarily my Dad ) constantly cultivated so we had a goodly supply of in season food, and almost every house in my small home town does indeed have a garden. The allotments fell into disrepair decades ago, and a housing development I remember being built in the late 1960's early 1970's have small but useable gardens. A developer has built five houses and is in the process of building another five ( can't do it altogether as that would mean building affordable ones....no profit in that! ) and none have gardens. Each has a small drive for a car and a small patch of grass at the rear. The same developer has just completed four, four bedroomed houses with garages, squeezed onto a very small former field with admittedly great views and a small parking space and a tiny triangular piece of grass at the rear. These houses are in excess of 400k each, there is what appears to be less than two metres space between each one and there are no gardens. I just don't get it. A recent and ongoing development of over 100 houses in my home town has houses of every size and shape, but no gardens. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medic1281 Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 Gardens aren’t worth anything to the developers. Take gardens away from 5 houses and you’ve got another building plot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Medic1281 said: Gardens aren’t worth anything to the developers. Take gardens away from 5 houses and you’ve got another building plot! Got it in one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Medic1281 said: Gardens aren’t worth anything to the developers. Take gardens away from 5 houses and you’ve got another building plot! I have to agree; that's how I see it too, which is why the roads are almost single track and people have to park with two wheels on the kerb in order for traffic to pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 hello, no gardens more profit, as a side note Scully i grew up in a 1930s semi, 40 ft front garden for mums flowers and 100 plus ft back for dads veg garden and green house, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmytree Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 Just now, Scully said: I have to agree; that's how I see it too, which is why the roads are almost single track and people have to park with two wheels on the kerb in order for traffic to pass. All they are doing is creating new ghettos and rat runs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duckandswing Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 I chose my house for the garden as much as anything else. I love it. I also have an allotment so seems I’m not current 🤷🏼♂️. All my friends don’t bother with a garden as such. Several have artificial grass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 I do realise it’s all for profit, what I meant by ‘I just don’t get it’ and the question ‘why’ , was why don’t people want gardens anymore? As much as I’m sure those four bedroomed houses are very swish with all mod cons as the saying goes, why are they selling without gardens ? They were in fact sold before completion! There isn’t even anywhere for kids to play! If I found my dream house and could afford it, I still wouldn’t buy it if it had no garden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 we go around new sites.putting in the cables for the phones and you wont belive where thery gram the houses in.and no gardens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 (edited) They are too busy staring at their I Phones to go out gardening for heavens sake. Everyone over 17 must have a car as well, so front gardens become car parks. I had to beg to borrow the milk delivery van when I was 17...18...19...20 and we all walked two miles to a pick up point where one young farmer would gramp us all in his fathers Austin Somersetsaloon ....it got very friendly at times. I was 23 when i won £50 on the Premium Bonds and bought myself a Lambretta scooter. Everyone these days moans but do not know how well off they are. Now I have 12 acres to tend but this year grassed over half of my veg garden as we couldn't eat what it produced. Our flower garden this year has been a picture...our front garden is the pavement through the village. Edited December 10, 2018 by Walker570 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, Scully said: I do realise it’s all for profit, what I meant by ‘I just don’t get it’ and the question ‘why’ , was why don’t people want gardens anymore? As much as I’m sure those four bedroomed houses are very swish with all mod cons as the saying goes, why are they selling without gardens ? They were in fact sold before completion! There isn’t even anywhere for kids to play! If I found my dream house and could afford it, I still wouldn’t buy it if it had no garden. It wouldn't be a dream house without a garden though would it? We bought a garden with a house attached 😉 We're thinking of extending, well I'm thinking the wife is waiting, so keep looking at what's available and the gardens are always a deal breaker for us. £400k and no garden, no chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 (edited) My gardens 10 yards long and 8 wide . It’s just about enough to play in with a veggy patch and Wendy house . We can play with airguns but I’d love bigger . The gardens behind mine are over 100 yards long and 15 wide . They fetch £4-700k tho . A few have sold and been developed into 3 houses but they don’t sell as quick as the gardens. Id love a few acres and a tiny house will do. I look at the new sites and think who’s going to by them at £350k with no garden . My mates garden is 200 yards long almost and amazing when the kids play and get lost there . I’m only £200,000 short lol . As Walker knows we have 8000 houses being built locally within 8 sq miles. It’s bonkers . my house can go up £50,000 only 600 yards away, £150,000 only 500 yards more and £200,000 1 mile away. All same size gardens . Only a few digits on the post code Edited December 10, 2018 by team tractor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 Near me 5 houses built, two have nothing, the parking isn even a driveway, three have a token patch of grass behind. They could have built three good sized 3/4 bed houses with a good garden and drive and garage, but as said, no money made that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100milesaway Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 Kitchens will be the next to go. from Auntie.🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 Mmmmm.....strange indeed. We have a huge garden, big enough to build a couple of houses on ironically. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 11 minutes ago, Scully said: Mmmmm.....strange indeed. We have a huge garden, big enough to build a couple of houses on ironically. 🙂 I can understand when people do it. Build a house on side land, make enough to pay a mortgage off or retire early. Built on my land at the side . Extra bedroom,bathroom, gun room , doubled my sons room and living room . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 14 minutes ago, 100milesaway said: Kitchens will be the next to go. from Auntie.🙄 You could be right actually; people already shopninline for groceries, takeaways are very popular, and I know my daughter and her uni friends sometimes have hot food delivered. Kitchens aren’t the necessity they once were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 My dad “until his hip gave out” was a keen gardener. Always lettuce, carrots, potatoes, beans etc in the garden! My garden is around 30 x 11 and is shrubs, herbs etc, though I did set up some tubs for Chris to grow his own beans etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 People in general don't make use of their gardens and see them as a liability to have to maintain them. How different to years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 broad beans to freeze, shallots to string, garlic to string, Swiss chard to pull all year round and a couple of rows of stringless/french type beans to freeze and that is about it for me BUT I do have a guy in for a day every month or so to do the heavy digging, pruning and help with maintenance and log sawing/splitting. Having a 'bit' of land is great but it needs constant attention always something to do and gets much harder as the years go by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFC Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 I don't think it's got anything to do with what people want any more. We went looking for a new cooker over the past couple of weeks. We wanted a gas 4 hob with eye-level grill and warming draw at the bottom, same as the one we have. Went into a local Euronics, not a single eye-level grill. Curry's had one but the space that could have been a warming cabinet was a blanked off empty space. Found Argos had two and have ordered one. When I asked why I was told nobody wanted to buy eye-level grills any more. More a case of this is what we've got, take it or leave was the impression I got and I think it's the same with houses. There's such a demand people will buy anything and, if they can seil houses without gardens then they'll say nobody wants a garden any more. At the end of my road a developer built eight flats literally on the touch line of a football/cricket ground. They're so close to the pitch that there's big nets stretched acroos the whole of them to stop balls going through the windows. They sold out in weeks🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Scully said: I do realise it’s all for profit, what I meant by ‘I just don’t get it’ and the question ‘why’ , was why don’t people want gardens anymore? As much as I’m sure those four bedroomed houses are very swish with all mod cons as the saying goes, why are they selling without gardens ? They were in fact sold before completion! There isn’t even anywhere for kids to play! If I found my dream house and could afford it, I still wouldn’t buy it if it had no garden. Same reason people are buying these new builds with tiny bedrooms, small kitchen that's just a corner of the living room, no storage for any of their personal stuff and not enough parking for them or their neighbours. They only have to put down 5%, which on a £200,000 flat or home is still £10,000. If they bought a "second hand" home, they'd have to put down £20,000 deposit. Neither of those take account of all the other costs. A few of the lads back home in Wales have been able to buy homes but they're significantly cheaper over there. Here in Bristol everyone of my colleagues or friends that have bought recently have either bought tiny new builds or shared ownership homes, both of which have absolutely no garden. The deposit was the main challenge for everyone I know. How many youngish people do you know with £20,000 sat in the bank? or £30,000 etc? The majority of households are in debt not including mortgage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wb123 Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 A garden would be nice but being both within budget and around work comes first. We could get a fantastic place in north wales but without being able to find work there to fund the mortgage it is meaningless. We are lucky enough to have been able to save a sizeable chunk for a deposit on our first place but until we get stable work we are renting and moving when necessary to get work, and also aren’t that young any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: How many youngish people do you know with £20,000 sat in the bank? or £30,000 etc? The majority of households are in debt not including mortgage. I bought my house at 24 ten years ago and i had 21k in the bank, because o made the choice to save and buy. So when I hear people saying they Don't have it etc I dont buy it. Some of my mates would go out and pee £100 on a night out every Friday. Im now in a better position owning a home whikst they rent and moan the ca t afford to buy. The answer to original question though, most younger people dont want the garden, they have no need to grow, they have supermarkets. And they see a garden as an extra job in the list of things to do around the home. Me personally i want a garden, for the dog... And also to grow fruit and veg and relax in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted December 10, 2018 Report Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, ShootingEgg said: I bought my house at 24 ten years ago and i had 21k in the bank, because o made the choice to save and buy. So when I hear people saying they Don't have it etc I dont buy it. Some of my mates would go out and pee £100 on a night out every Friday. Im now in a better position owning a home whikst they rent and moan the ca t afford to buy. The answer to original question though, most younger people dont want the garden, they have no need to grow, they have supermarkets. And they see a garden as an extra job in the list of things to do around the home. Me personally i want a garden, for the dog... And also to grow fruit and veg and relax in. Yes I know mate but people like ya aren't in the majority, the majority are the ones ******* away £100 every Friday and Saturday then complaining how it's unfair society and they aren't paid enough. Plus these days you'd be lucky to buy a flat in this area for that £20k in the bank as a down payment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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