Woodbepigeonshooter Posted February 16, 2019 Report Share Posted February 16, 2019 I was out today shooting pigeons over rape with a mate I was shooting a Browning Maxus using Eley 30g 6’s. As a pair of birds came in we agreed to take chosen birds but as I went to shoot I thought I had left my safety on as no recoil and the bird didn’t drop ( obviously an easy bird) Luckily the cartridge didn’t cycle properly so unloaded and had a quick look with a torch down the barrel and through chamber. The barrel was fully blocked by the fibre wads and took a fare old effort to push out with a bouncer rod to clear once the gun was stripped. How common is this as I have never had it happen before . I have had the odd misfire will h a good strike but not anything to block the barrel...... scary! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 Don't use any more and have a word with a proof house? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impala59 Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 Sounds like no powder to me, the primer would have sufficient energy to push the wad into the forcing cone where the constriction would stop it, but it would have not cycled the action. Good drill checking, probably saved your gun and yours and your pals health Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunman Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 I would say very rare occurrence these days and am trying hard to think of a recent example that didn't involve home loads or one of the lesser loaders . There are several things it could be and I will hold my opinion . I would contact Eley ,keep the fired case and dont use any more of that box . It is possible that you may have been unfortunate enough to have the one bad cartridge out of thousands . You may have a whole box or boxes . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord v Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 The only cartridges I ever had issues with were Eley. Same thing, a small huff and wad blocking the barrel. That was a plastic wad clay load. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver pigeon69 Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 (edited) One of the members at our club had exactly the same problem with Eley's a few years ago. He wasn't so careful and didn't check his barrels! The next shot burst the barrel, luckily no one was injured. He contacted Eley who didn't seem to care!! Edit- fibre wad, clay load (not sure exactly which type) Edited February 17, 2019 by silver pigeon69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alastair0903 Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Gunman said: I would say very rare occurrence these days and am trying hard to think of a recent example that didn't involve home loads or one of the lesser loaders . There are several things it could be and I will hold my opinion . I would contact Eley ,keep the fired case and dont use any more of that box . It is possible that you may have been unfortunate enough to have the one bad cartridge out of thousands . You may have a whole box or boxes . Interesting you say that. I showed this to my friend who had a similar thing happen last week, he was also using the same cartridges aswell. Luckily he spotted the problem and switched to using his spare gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8 shot Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 Two friends of mine went clay shooting 6/7 years ago,long story short had a fibre wad stuck in the barrel, only noticed because of lack of recoil and the sound of the bang.On investigation it was very damp/wet powder in his cartridges, that were incorrectly stored cartridges. (In a cellar). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 36 minutes ago, alastair0903 said: Interesting you say that. I showed this to my friend who had a similar thing happen last week, he was also using the same cartridges aswell. Luckily he spotted the problem and switched to using his spare gun. I think I would have changed ammunition as well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 (edited) In 45 years I have known it happen very occasionally - possibly 4 or 5 times. It has never happened to me, but did happen to a relative I was standing with shooting clays (with my gun and cartridges). It was VERY obvious as there was a pop rather than a bang and no recoil. Can't remember what make of cartridge it was, but it would have been fibre wad as I don't use plastic (though I don't believe the wad makes a difference). There was unburned powder around, so I don't know what went wrong? Someone suggested possibly a card wad had got between the primer and powder? I now carry a small folding rod in my bag https://www.brownells.co.uk/RAPID-ROD which should be able to push the wad out. ANY 'odd' discharge, light recoil, unusual sound should ALWAYS be followed up by checking the barrel is clear. Edited February 17, 2019 by JohnfromUK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stimo22 Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 We had the same thing happen to several shoot members on our clay club it seemed to be a bad batch of Fiocci clay cartridges. We now have a cleaning rod ready for clearing them. After seeing it happen I stopped using them and swooped to Gamebore had Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impala59 Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 3 hours ago, JohnfromUK said: ANY 'odd' discharge, light recoil, unusual sound should ALWAYS be followed up by checking the barrel is clear. This ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNKS Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 I have had this with an Eley 20g cartridge. Was shooting clays. Was obvious that the report was different. Shot was all gone but fibre wad was half way up the barrel and easy to push out. I only had the one box of cartridges and the rest were all fine. We put it down to no powder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead-Eyed Duck Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 Had exactly the same a fortnight ago. Eley were the culprit. Will never buy them again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decoy1979 Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 I experienced the same thing about 3 years ago and then a friend of mine had the same thing with the same batch of cartridges. Having said that it's the only first hand experience in 26 years of shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 same as me years ago.when i had a escort semi.stuck wad plastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 I have an Eley 'Gold DTL' in my bag that has a hole in the crimp which had allowed the shot to 'escape'. Thankfully it felt light and I checked it. If I had fired it that would have stuck the wad up the barrel. I just avoid Eley's ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impala59 Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 Really all these faulty cartridges should be returned to Eley (via your dealer) with a report on the incident or near incident. Sounds like their quality control leaves a lot to be desired, especially when we have a supposedly 'controlled' explosion inches from our faces Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 56 minutes ago, decoy1979 said: I experienced the same thing about 3 years ago and then a friend of mine had the same thing with the same batch of cartridges. Having said that it's the only first hand experience in 26 years of shooting. Once is enough! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perazzishot Posted February 17, 2019 Report Share Posted February 17, 2019 RC took this very seriously and their conclusion after inspection was a 20 bore shell! I can't or won't argue but it makes no sense to me. I would have thought the blow would have been bigger. The insurance were brilliant and have settled in full to replace my MK38! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbob Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 This thread fill me with confidence. Ive just bought a slab a of Eley fibre wads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow white Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 I can happen with plastic wads as well not just fiber wads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted February 18, 2019 Report Share Posted February 18, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, Perazzishot said: RC took this very seriously and their conclusion after inspection was a 20 bore shell! I can't or won't argue but it makes no sense to me. I would have thought the blow would have been bigger. The insurance were brilliant and have settled in full to replace my MK38! All’s well that ends well; could have been so much worse. I’ve only experienced this once donkies years ago when clay shooting. I was using Gambore White Gold (?) certainly white something or other, and experienced a muffled detonation and on inspection found a fibre wad stuck halfway down the barrel. I remember remarking at the time that they were ‘dirty’ and left a lot of unburnt powder in the barrel, and in hindsight am now wondering if I had stored the cartridges in unsuitable conditions such as the back of my vehicle throughout cold weather for example. Edited February 18, 2019 by Scully Predictive text Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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