Fuddster Posted November 30, 2019 Report Share Posted November 30, 2019 The Fishmongers Hall ,where the conference for ex-offender's management ,is one of London's prestigious venues-I remember it being featured on BBC's Masterchef. The sub human scum offender, must have felt he was 'in the belly of the beast' and on a road to his martedom. Strapping on a mock suicide vest was his way of sealing a one way trip at the hands of armed officers. f. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storm in a teacup Posted November 30, 2019 Report Share Posted November 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, ordnance said: No problem. The armed response here receive the same training as armed response in the rest of the UK it is a UK force. Surprisingly each force can train what ever they want. There is best practice but each force are free to do what they want. The Chief Constable carries the can if it goes wrong and they havent followed best practice. Most forces comply but a few do stray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted November 30, 2019 Report Share Posted November 30, 2019 Teacup is quite right, it's t zone for ied' s on the person. That's what's taught and has been for a while. Good luck achieving it and I suspect if your the chap pulling the trigger you probably think you haven't got long left. Unless of course you can achieve a 704 yard have head shot from a moving landy or whatever it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munzy Posted November 30, 2019 Report Share Posted November 30, 2019 Has the fake suicide vest been verified? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storm in a teacup Posted November 30, 2019 Report Share Posted November 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Munzy said: Has the fake suicide vest been verified? Neil Basu confirmed it was a fake at the 1600hrs press conference yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munzy Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 1 hour ago, storm in a teacup said: Neil Basu confirmed it was a fake at the 1600hrs press conference yesterday. Thanks. I meant the presence of a vest not whether it was fake or real but you still answered the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 13 hours ago, ordnance said: I am sure they receive support from the police federation etc. But its right that they have to justify their actions, i doubt they will have any issues in this case. There is no support when you are standing infront of the Coroner ...... just a bit different from magistrates or Judge ... ben there as Coroners Officer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Walker570 said: There is no support when you are standing infront of the Coroner ...... just a bit different from magistrates or Judge ... ben there as Coroners Officer. True but the police have to account for their actions especially if a death is involved, as it should be. I am sure recruits are made well aware of that during training, that would be the time to change career choices if its a issue. Edited December 1, 2019 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 1 hour ago, ordnance said: True but the police have to account for their actions especially if a death is involved, as it should be. I am sure recruits are made well aware of that during training, that would be the time to change career choices if its a issue. Yup. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bottletopbill Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 Get a jury to watch all videos of the shooting then decide if it is lawful to a judge and not put a officer in front of others unless proven guilty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 If they had hanged the perpetrator for terrorism the first time he did it this event would not have happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 23 hours ago, JohnfromUK said: A key question to me is how he was allowed in to an event involving known offenders with a (some reports say two) large knives? The so called experts who allow this cringing ineptitude to happen should be under a very public spotlight to explain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B725 Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 2 hours ago, London Best said: If they had hanged the perpetrator for terrorism the first time he did it this event would not have happened. And for drug dealing, we could have a referendum about hanging but it will never happen as they know what the answer will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southeastpete Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 23 minutes ago, B725 said: And for drug dealing, we could have a referendum about hanging but it will never happen as they know what the answer will be. What’s the point in having a vote in this country? If they don’t like the result they just ignore it anyway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100milesaway Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 On 29/11/2019 at 17:23, Pistol p said: Confirmed dead. Fake bomb. Nice. who will pay to look after his 4 wives and 22 kids now? Same folks that were paying before.fromAuntie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 4 hours ago, bottletopbill said: Get a jury to watch all videos of the shooting then decide if it is lawful to a judge and not put a officer in front of others unless proven guilty The police should not be given preferential treatment over any other citizen, the officers account of the incident would be important to a jury's decision if it came to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol p Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 1 hour ago, 100milesaway said: Same folks that were paying before.fromAuntie. Yup. But now they get compensation from the government or some wonky insurance based in a foreign land. Either way he is now a martyr to at least 89 other unwashed mugs. But you and me will pay for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 5 hours ago, London Best said: If they had hanged the perpetrator for terrorism the first time he did it this event would not have happened. Perhaps if they hung the murderer, as some PW members want for all murderers rather than rehabilitation, that brought this person to the ground then the situation may have been very different and more people may have lost their lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 On 29/11/2019 at 17:23, Pistol p said: Confirmed dead. Fake bomb. Nice. who will pay to look after his 4 wives and 22 kids now? 2 hours ago, 100milesaway said: Same folks that were paying before.fromAuntie. 57 minutes ago, Pistol p said: Yup. But now they get compensation from the government or some wonky insurance based in a foreign land. Either way he is now a martyr to at least 89 other unwashed mugs. But you and me will pay for it. So where do you get all these details from? 4 wives and 22 kids, then 89... Can't find anything to corroborate your assertions? Governments, insurance?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 Rather than letting these scumbag out early, allegedly, because they might get depressed and play up in the nick, because they have nothing to lose.......they should give them a choice...serve the full sentence handed down or swallow this cyanide pill!....the latter is the preferred option, as it has less of a negative impact on public finances! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted December 1, 2019 Report Share Posted December 1, 2019 10 minutes ago, panoma1 said: Rather than letting these scumbag out early, allegedly, because they might get depressed and play up in the nick, because they have nothing to lose.......they should give them a choice...serve the full sentence handed down or swallow this cyanide pill!....the latter is the preferred option, as it has less of a negative impact on public finances! And if the murderer who tackled him had taken the pill instead, how would that have turned out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saltings Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 I don't have a problem with this if the public are under threat ,,,take the threat out ,,,, and thank the police for keeping us safe and shake their hand as its a thankless job anyway (sadly) given what they have to deal with every day (forget politics' bs for the moment its all about votes ) the public needs to step up more to confront scrotes chavs unsociable types thieving lowlifes before they get out of control as our parents and grandparents did (as seen this weekend top blokes saved lives got involved and pinned him down ) so help the police rather than walk past with their heads down and whinge behind closed doors leaving it up to the police / council to sort it out stand up and get a spine questioning what they are doing in your area confront these individuals every time you see them pier pressure sorts things out if not the police should be a last resort as already overstretched Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saltings Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Saltings said: maybe we need corporal punishment a whooping before 16 prison after Edited December 2, 2019 by Saltings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 Hopefully if nothing else comes from this terrible event, the review of release under licence for terrorist offences might help. Of course we desperately need a judiciary that have experienced real life, understand the ordinary man and are prepared to use the full range of sentencing available to them rather than following the liberal rights of the perpetrators and ignoring the actual rights of the victims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 10 hours ago, henry d said: And if the murderer who tackled him had taken the pill instead, how would that have turned out? “These scumbags” = convicted jihadi terrorists and murderers.....enemies of the UK!..........Murderers are another matter entirely!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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