Thanks Nigel for exposing French migrant assistance

[Scully]

8 hours ago, enfieldspares said:

Absolutely incorrect. And many who will lose their jobs because of this coronavirus pandemic will now painfully find out.

I work in France (since 1999) and lived in France from 2002 to 2006 and 2015 to 2019 as part of that work. The French system does give free housing and it does give free healthcare. Hence the support for Jean Marie Le Pen and after for his daughter Marine Le Pen. In fact the "benefits" are more in money terms than in the UK.

This myth of benefits is used as smoke and mirrors by certain Tory politicians to curtail benefits to lawful UK residents of which the near all are natural born white British on the lie that if benefits are cut then immigrants won't come. A lie then used to stop benefits for us British no different to that lie peddled by others to then stop us British owning guns that if gun ownership is controlled then armed crime will be discouraged. 

What the French don't do however is speak English. And the true reason many illegal immigrants seek to come here is that of English being the so called "universal language". We speak English here. The same why Brazilian illegal immigrants have Portugal as their destination of choice. There they speak Portuguese.

France has a big problem with French speaking illegal immigrants such as from Morocco, Algeria and Senegal and Cote d'Ivoire other former French West African colonies. Yet as far as I know few if any of those Francophone people once have arrived illegally in France then seek to travel onwards to the UK. Because THEY don't speak English.

The "better British benefits" is a myth as far as illegals are concerned. It is that we in the UK speak English that makes the UK attractive. Economic migrants go to where they can use the languages they do speak to find work not because they think the "benefits" pay better in country A instead of country B.

No these illegals shouldn't be here and they shouldn't be getting benefits.

But don't fall for the real reason, as explained, that some are happy for that lie to have oxygen to give it life.

Excellent post. 👍

[johnphilip]

8 hours ago, enfieldspares said:

Absolutely incorrect. And many who will lose their jobs because of this coronavirus pandemic will now painfully find out.

I work in France (since 1999) and lived in France from 2002 to 2006 and 2015 to 2019 as part of that work. The French system does give free housing and it does give free healthcare. Hence the support for Jean Marie Le Pen and after for his daughter Marine Le Pen. In fact the "benefits" are more in money terms than in the UK.

This myth of benefits is used as smoke and mirrors by certain Tory politicians to curtail benefits to lawful UK residents of which the near all are natural born white British on the lie that if benefits are cut then immigrants won't come. A lie then used to stop benefits for us British no different to that lie peddled by others to then stop us British owning guns that if gun ownership is controlled then armed crime will be discouraged. 

What the French don't do however is speak English. And the true reason many illegal immigrants seek to come here is that of English being the so called "universal language". We speak English here. The same why Brazilian illegal immigrants have Portugal as their destination of choice. There they speak Portuguese.

France has a big problem with French speaking illegal immigrants such as from Morocco, Algeria and Senegal and Cote d'Ivoire other former French West African colonies. Yet as far as I know few if any of those Francophone people once have arrived illegally in France then seek to travel onwards to the UK. Because THEY don't speak English.

The "better British benefits" is a myth as far as illegals are concerned. It is that we in the UK speak English that makes the UK attractive. Economic migrants go to where they can use the languages they do speak to find work not because they think the "benefits" pay better in country A instead of country B.

No these illegals shouldn't be here and they shouldn't be getting benefits.

But don't fall for the real reason, as explained, that some are happy for that lie to have oxygen to give it life.

That is the biggest load of rubbish I have ever heard . There is so many holes in what you say . They learn English to come to the uk . If they wanted to stay in France,  they would have learnt French. 

[Mice!]

Well, didn't france have a few terrorist attacks not so long ago? Yet it seems there are still people pouring through france all the way to the coast where a boat awaits them, they then manage to evade the mighty french Navy for two hours ish until out of french waters.

Which means they are being allowed to go on their way.

They weren't stopped before they got to france, or the country before that or.......

So from this I'm guessing france have no borders?

The idea the French Navy can't stop these boats is simply laughable,  if they were going the other way filled with drugs or something else illegal they would be all over it.

[Nuke]

2 minutes ago, Mice! said:

So from this I'm guessing france have no borders?

No borders within the EU.

/M

[Gordon R]

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No borders within the EU.

That must be news to Spain, among others.

[crosswaters]

1 hour ago, johnphilip said:

That is the biggest load of rubbish I have ever heard . There is so many holes in what you say . They learn English to come to the uk . If they wanted to stay in France,  they would have learnt French. 

Correct 

[Bigbob]

19 hours ago, TRINITY said:

We could always take the French approach. I have heard wee Jimmy spout on many times how Scotland is an outward looking country who welcomes immigration and unlimited free movement. She is often critical about England policy of clamping down on such matters. Well let's give the little tart her wish , send em straight up there. 

I cant remember where we agreed to take in the last lot of immigrants from but they rehomed them on one of islands  on holiday last year i saw them sitting outside there houses wrapped up all you could see was there eyes and it was a lovely glorious summer day LOL and they where freezing i wonder if they wished they where back home ? stuck in a cold place nothing to do hardly able to speak to anyone 

[Bigbob]

I was watching the daily government covid  yesterday and there going on about on june the 8th people coming into the country must self isolate for 2 weeks at a given address or they will be sent back .

Now suppose France is cleaning out its Covid suffering immigrants ? they  test them find they got the virus get them on a dinghy escort them out into English waters and they are either escorted to England  by the coastguard , Or they hit land and disappear into the shady underworld of cheap labour and all crammed up in a house  spreading the virus ?.

A far cheaper alternative than France treating them ?. 

[Retsdon]

2 hours ago, johnphilip said:

They learn English to come to the uk .

Some might, but most will already know the basics. Here in Saudi you see it all the time. If an Arab, an Indian and a Chinaman are talking to each other they'll use English. Add a Somali, an Afghan and a Ukrainian to the conversation and they'll still all be talking English. English is the world's second language and it's universally used across races and cultures in a way that no other language on the planet is.

Enfieldspares is absolutely correct in what he says about its pulling power. 

 

[johnphilip]

2 minutes ago, Retsdon said:

Some might, but most will already know the basics. Here in Saudi you see it all the time. If an Arab, an Indian and a Chinaman are talking to each other they'll use English. Add a Somali, an Afghan and a Ukrainian to the conversation and they'll still all be talking English. English is the world's second language and it's universally used across races and cultures in a way that no other language on the planet is.

Enfieldspares is absolutely correct in what he says about its pulling power. 

 

I rest my case,  they wish to speak English  to come here.  If they wanted to go to france , and live there they would learn french . If they wish to live in another country would they not learn that native language.  There is no point them living in France  if they can only speak English , well that is if they wish to fit in anyway . And yes the pulling power is correct in term of wanting to move her.

[old'un]

27 minutes ago, Retsdon said:

Some might, but most will already know the basics. Here in Saudi you see it all the time. If an Arab, an Indian and a Chinaman are talking to each other they'll use English. Add a Somali, an Afghan and a Ukrainian to the conversation and they'll still all be talking English. English is the world's second language and it's universally used across races and cultures in a way that no other language on the planet is.

Enfieldspares is absolutely correct in what he says about its pulling power. 

 

If that were true why do we need to print so many things in other languages and employ so many interpreters?

[Rewulf]

3 hours ago, henry d said:

They are more likely to die of hypothermia, at present it would take an hour or two, but they could still succumb within a few minutes to secondary drowning.

I would say the best way to avoid drowning OR hypothermia in a 20 odd mile stretch of busy shipping lane at night would be to ..... not get into the massively overcrowded boat in the first place ?
But on the one hand, they are fleeing war and persecution, not forgetting famine and gay bashing from that French beach...

AND , two navies to make sure  they make it OK across, something the Greek, Libyan and Turkish navies failed in their duty to do....

Insert sarcasm emojis wherever the mood takes you.

Edited May 23, 2020 by Rewulf

[Mice!]

2 hours ago, Nuke said:

No borders within the EU.

/M

I watched something a while back showing migrants fleeing through Turkey I think into Europe and on, there were a lot of guards and fences considering there are no borders, yes there is free travel for EU citizens if that's the right way to put it.

They were being pretty much shuttled onto the next country passing the problem on.

Yes they were escaping some horrible conditions but that doesn't mean we should just be letting them in,  if they come from Europe and France then it's their problem to deal with.

And it's a big reason why the Brexit vote went the way it did.

[old'un]

One problem we have with immigrants coming into the UK, illegal or otherwise, is one of self isolation from the indigenous population (English) by that I mean the polish people will head to where there is an high percentage of polish people, the same goes for people from Pakistan, Iraq, Somalia, Syria, etc, they then create societies within society, opening their own schools, shops, businesses and places of worship, when the numbers get high in one area they are able to self support without having to integrate or learn English.    

[WalkedUp]

34 minutes ago, old'un said:

One problem we have with immigrants coming into the UK, illegal or otherwise, is one of self isolation from the indigenous population (English) by that I mean the polish people will head to where there is an high percentage of polish people, the same goes for people from Pakistan, Iraq, Somalia, Syria, etc, they then create societies within society, opening their own schools, shops, businesses and places of worship, when the numbers get high in one area they are able to self support without having to integrate or learn English.    

I agree, I am all for immigration if it to assimilate with our society and work for our economy. Speaking English/Welsh is mandatory etc. 

[Newbie to this]

3 hours ago, Retsdon said:

English is the world's second language and it's universally used across races and cultures in a way that no other language on the planet is.

Then surley they shouldn't have a problem whatever country they are in 

[old'un]

4 minutes ago, Newbie to this said:

Then surley they shouldn't have a problem whatever country they are in 

A very good point.

[REDINGTON]

Its all a bit moot really,  It really doesn't matter what language is spoken, or the skin colour, race, religion, worker or shirker, honest or criminal intent. sooner or later we are going to have to  face up to the simple fact ,,,, were full up!   and with overpopulation will come the inherent problems of which are already beginning to become obvious.  its a pyramid of destruction.  

not just here on this small island,, but worldwide.  

wars,genocide, famine,drought, ethnic cleansing, plagues, and viruses, aids, cancers,  nothing can stem the madness of creating more and more mouths to feed, and infrastructures cannot cope with current levels. 

our so called leaders learn nothing, except maybe how to abuse their positions usually at our expense to better themselves.

progress will eventually destroy all in its path.https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

on the upside, suns out, bills are paid, got plenty of ammo.

happy days,,,, at the moment.

 

 

 

Edited May 23, 2020 by REDINGTON

[figgy]

Our navy need to flex some muscles and stop them. Escort them straight back to french waters and stop them coming. Not like the navy us over tasked with fighting wars. 

But then again the they can't stop drugs or fishing in our waters. 

[Retsdon]

18 hours ago, old'un said:

If that were true why do we need to print so many things in other languages and employ so many interpreters?

There are different levels of linguistic competence and legal language is out there...

Edited in. Ha! I see today that  a 'source close to the Home Secretary' is confirming today that the French are blameless. That doesn't suit Farange's story and he's insinuating all kinds of things, but of course if he were to acknowledge international maritime law his story would be dead in the water. https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1286196/migrant-news-priti-patel-english-channel-loophole-nigel-farace-dover-uk-latest

Edited May 24, 2020 by Retsdon

[Vince Green]

9 hours ago, Retsdon said:

There are different levels of linguistic competence and legal language is out there...

Yes but suddenly none of them speak English when stopped by the police.

Edited May 24, 2020 by Vince Green

[Retsdon]

9 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

Yes but suddenly none of them speak English when stopped by the police.

Of course. In Thailand, I can never speak Thai (or English) either when the police stop me. I answer them in French!

It works too. Almost invariably they just give up and wave me on.

[johnphilip]

3 hours ago, Retsdon said:

Of course. In Thailand, I can never speak Thai (or English) either when the police stop me. I answer them in French!

It works too. Almost invariably they just give up and wave me on.

How can anyone oh here take you serious , not that many do with a statement  like that . You are no better than those trying to get here illegally. 

Faranges is right to highlight  this , the same man who campaigns so hard to get us out of Europe.  And won . 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Just now, johnphilip said:

How can anyone oh here take you serious , not that many do with a statement  like that . You are no better than those trying to get here illegally. 

Faranges is right to highlight  this , the same man who campaigns so hard to get us out of Europe.  And won . 

Nobody does!

[Retsdon]

1 hour ago, johnphilip said:

How can anyone oh here take you serious , not that many do with a statement  like that

Like what? That I try and avoid contributing to the local police benevolent fund when stopped and shaken down along with everyone else on a motorcycle passing through the day's random money-earning checkpoint? Do I assume you'd rather pay up?

Anyway, I didn't say it was right. I just said it works. 

Edited May 24, 2020 by Retsdon