Johnson’s support waning?

[WalkedUp]

Interesting to see this morning’s papers and having spoken to a range of people over the weekend, it appears support (from Conservatives) for Johnson is really falling. 

There are two main schools of thought:

1. Those who are anti-lockdown feel he has lost his mettle and is being bullied by scientists rather than economists. He should be replaced by Sunak. 

2. Those who feel the lockdown has come far too late. He should be replaced by Starmer. 

If you read the Independent, it is hard to disagree with them that a earlier lockdown would have been shorter and more successful. Maybe if a two week mid October lockdown had occurred both camps would have been happy? 

[hawkfanz]

you cant please everyone all the time,afterall there is a labour government in wales and snp ruling scotland and tories in england,none of em are doing any better than the others,same goes for rest of the world.no one has mastered it yet,despite all these different parties in power.

[oscarsdad]

I don’t think any PM would have survived this mess. 
 

We at least didn’t have Corbyn steering the ship through the storm and then we really would be sunk. 

[AVB]

I am in the first camp.  I will be speaking to a few MP’s this week and pretty sure they will also feel the same. 

[Rim Fire]

If doris had listened earlier and taken advantage of the half term we would have been all locked down together instead of closing the gate when the horse has bolted again. He was told back in september just seen the Andrew Marr show im afraid he doing to the conservative party what Jeremy Corbyn done to the labour party ....... it up 

[oldypigeonpopper]

1 hour ago, oscarsdad said:

I don’t think any PM would have survived this mess. 
 

We at least didn’t have Corbyn steering the ship through the storm and then we really would be sunk. 

Hello, have to agree on the Corbyn statement 👍

[enfieldspares]

He, clown Johnson, has a majority of eighty. I don't think he's yet at risk. Thatcher when she was toppled had a majority of one hundred but I can't see a contender apart from Gove. Sinak is hugely wealthy and doesn't need to prove anything about himself to himself. Gove however has a massive chip on his shoulder, it appears, and does need to constantly do both.

[Rim Fire]

32 minutes ago, enfieldspares said:

He, clown Johnson, has a majority of eighty. I don't think he's yet at risk. Thatcher when she was toppled had a majority of one hundred but I can't see a contender apart from Gove. Sinak is hugely wealthy and doesn't need to prove anything about himself to himself. Gove however has a massive chip on his shoulder, it appears, and does need to constantly do both.

I don't think gove would think twice about stabbing him in the back again to become prime minister 

[mick miller]

1 hour ago, AVB said:

I am in the first camp.  I will be speaking to a few MP’s this week and pretty sure they will also feel the same. 

I'm with you, although I would add, I never wanted him as pm in the first place, completely out of his depth. I held my nose and voted blue last time round simply to keep that Marxist idiot away from the levers of power. I'm not sure, if he remains, that I would do so again. 

[London Best]

How can ANY fieldsportsman even consider voting Labour?

[Smokersmith]

No internal threat to Boris ... he’s king carp on **** island at the moment ...

Labour will have to wait and play their cards very well.

[Gordon R]

Forget Labour. They have a long wait for an election and the Tories are hardly likely to gift them one.

Boris may survive, he may not. Starmer will have enough of a problem quelling discontent in his own party.  

Got to admire the bright sparks who advocated an earlier lockdown, claiming it was the answer. No-one has got a grip on Covid 19, despite differing approaches. If this one works - they will claim it should have been done earlier. If it doesn't they will make the same claim, with absolutely nothing to back it up. Scientists can't agree among themselves, so who are the Government supposed to listen to? 

Edited November 1, 2020 by Gordon R

[JKD]

1 minute ago, Gordon R said:

Forget Labour. They have a long wait for an election and the Tories are hardly likely to gift them one.

Boris may survive, he may not. Starmer will have enough of a problem quelling discontent in his own party.  

Got to admire the bright sparks who advocated an earlier lockdown, claiming it was the answer. No-one has got a grip on Covid 19, despite differing approaches. If this one works - they will claim it should have been done earlier. If it doesn't they will make the same claim, with absolutely nothing to back it up. Scientists can't agree among themselves, so who are the Government supposed to listen to? 

All the "experts" on PW perhaps ? 🤔

[oldypigeonpopper]

Hello, Opinions rather than Experts, Nothing wrong with that🤔

[12gauge82]

I don't think Boris has done a bad job, in todays snowflake society what else could he do but lock down, as a spike in deaths with no lock down would result in howls across the county that he sacrificed people for the economy. On the other side you've got people who say no lock down at all as the economic outcome will be worse than the virus, the fact both camps say he's gone too far one way or the other suggests he's not far off in the right place politically. 

I myself am in the no lock down camp. 

[Rim Fire]

1 hour ago, JKD said:

All the "experts" on PW perhaps ? 🤔

you got that right all experts on here 🤣👍

 

[JohnfromUK]

5 hours ago, hawkfanz said:

you cant please everyone all the time,afterall there is a labour government in wales and snp ruling scotland and tories in england,none of em are doing any better than the others,same goes for rest of the world.no one has mastered it yet,despite all these different parties in power.

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[Mighty Ruler]

Would anyone want the PMs job? Whatever they do they can’t win, get accused of letting people die or wrecking the economy. Captain Hindsight would be judged on his own decisions.

[oowee]

It was obvious from day one that this donkey did not have a hope in hell of delivering. He is a cheer leader handy, if you want to party, no good if you want something sorting out. If he had put together an independent team he could have deflected all the blame to them but arrogance wont let him. 

2 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:

I don't think Boris has done a bad job,

What??? You must be one of the very few. I struggle to see anything he got right. 

[Cranfield]

I think he (this Government) have been in a lose /lose situation from the beginning.
This pandemic is completely new, there is no past experience or guidelines to refer to, it is literally flying by the seat of your pants.
His critics should accept that hindsight is no qualification for the criticism.
I don't see any European leaders/Governments doing any better, in fact many doing worse. 

 

[JohnfromUK]

Just now, Cranfield said:

I think he (this Government) have been in a lose /lose situation from the beginning.
This pandemic is completely new, there is no past experience or guidelines to refer to, it is literally flying by the seat of your pants.
His critics should accept that hindsight is no qualification for the criticism.
I don't see any European leaders/Governments doing any better, in fact many doing worse. 

 

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[WalkedUp]

5 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, have to agree on the Corbyn statement 👍

I don’t think there is a sane man/woman or child who could believe that Corbyn would have been anything other than an unmitigated disaster. In the midst of a pandemic it is hard to think of a single person who would be less capable than Corbyn. A coalition would have been interesting and probably bad news, it’s hard to see how a hastily conceived political marriage could survive these times. 

16 minutes ago, oowee said:

What??? You must be one of the very few. I struggle to see anything he got right. 

Got to agree with that. If you had no leader and the cabinet made decisions with a coin toss would probably be more effective and consistent than Johnson. He’s been dealt an awful set of cards but even then, he’s played a losing hand badly. 

[WalkedUp]

4 hours ago, London Best said:

How can ANY fieldsportsman even consider voting Labour?

Agree. I can’t imagine a scenario in which I could ever trust Labour with a vote. Fox hunting, then Corbyn... just not worth the risk even if they do have the best man for the job. 

[Newbie to this]

5 hours ago, London Best said:

How can ANYONE even consider voting Labour?

Fixed it for you 

[blackbird]

8 hours ago, WalkedUp said:

Interesting to see this morning’s papers and having spoken to a range of people over the weekend, it appears support (from Conservatives) for Johnson is really falling. 

There are two main schools of thought:

1. Those who are anti-lockdown feel he has lost his mettle and is being bullied by scientists rather than economists. He should be replaced by Sunak. 

2. Those who feel the lockdown has come far too late. He should be replaced by Starmer. 

If you read the Independent, it is hard to disagree with them that a earlier lockdown would have been shorter and more successful. Maybe if a two week mid October lockdown had occurred both camps would have been happy? 

I bet old Theresa May is ******* herself “ YOU WANTED THE JOB BORIS NOW GET ON WITH IT” 

Edited November 1, 2020 by blackbird