Mice! Posted March 3, 2022 Report Share Posted March 3, 2022 3 hours ago, Penelope said: The Ukrainians are condcting what they are calling the Úkrainian Safari; civilians are taking down all of the roads, so the Russian forces cannot use them to find there way around. From a Ukrainian work colleague. I think it will take more than removing the road signs to slow down the Russians, while I get that the country is big, the Russians must have maps and compasses never mind GPS etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted March 3, 2022 Report Share Posted March 3, 2022 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/3/why-capturing-ukraine-kherson-important-for-russia Some might find this interesting, I wasn't aware of this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 3, 2022 Report Share Posted March 3, 2022 Interesting to see one of our reconnaissance assets is loitering down there looking over the border at Kherson. The purple aircraft bottom right next to the helicopter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted March 3, 2022 Report Share Posted March 3, 2022 Why has Ukraine not yet destroyed the pipelines across its land? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 3, 2022 Report Share Posted March 3, 2022 8 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Interesting to see one of our reconnaissance assets is loitering down there looking over the border at Kherson. Can it 'see' that far , Khersons about 200 miles away ? 3 minutes ago, oowee said: Why has Ukraine not yet destroyed the pipelines across its land? Probably cut everyone in Ukraines gas at the same time ? Pretty cold over there still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 3, 2022 Report Share Posted March 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Can it 'see' that far , Khersons about 200 miles away ? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted March 3, 2022 Report Share Posted March 3, 2022 1 hour ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Interesting to see one of our reconnaissance assets is loitering down there looking over the border at Kherson. The purple aircraft bottom right next to the helicopter. Or this one, FL530 Global Hawk drone We operate to Krakow and Warsaw so most of us are keeping an eye out for what’s ‘around’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted March 4, 2022 Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 On 02/03/2022 at 09:07, bluesj said: Well it wouldn't be the first time Russia has kill Ukrainians! Hello, that may be so but this is a different situation, Putin is determined to wipe out Ukraine and its people, have we not seen this before, ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 4, 2022 Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 Rather interesting to see the BBC News programme showing a Russian Ministry of Defence spokesman detailing the damage caused to the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Station in Enerhodar, Ukraine and blaming it on Ukrainian sabotage! Mis information at its best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted March 4, 2022 Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 I take my hat off to the Ukrainian people, if what I've heard is correct, the vast majority of refugees coming out of there are women and children and there is a stream of cars with men in them going the other way, returning to fight after dropping their partners and children off. Without assistance it is unfortunately a fight they will likely ultimately loose. I do feel at this point nato should push in from the west and hold any uninvaded areas, the Ukrainians have proved they deserve our help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 4, 2022 Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 5 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: Without assistance it is unfortunately a fight they will likely ultimately loose. I do feel at this point nato should push in from the west and hold any uninvaded areas, the Ukrainians have proved they deserve our help. And officially start the Third World War? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted March 4, 2022 Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 7 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: I take my hat off to the Ukrainian people, if what I've heard is correct, the vast majority of refugees coming out of there are women and children and there is a stream of cars with men in them going the other way, returning to fight after dropping their partners and children off. Without assistance it is unfortunately a fight they will likely ultimately loose. I do feel at this point nato should push in from the west and hold any uninvaded areas, the Ukrainians have proved they deserve our help. Well said on the Ukrainian people. Nearly everybody seems to have written them off, even last week Andrew Neil said that Ukraine was already lost. A week in the Russian Army control one major city, every day that passes where Ukraine is not lost is a political win for them. Whilst it seems inevitable that, without external intervention, they cannot ultimately win militarily but I don't see how the end game results in a real win for Putin. Each day that Ukraine stands is another day of hope and opportunity that something really bad happens to Putin from within (or by Mother Nature). On the topic of NATO pushing in from the west, I guess it's less of an escalation than implementing a no fly zone but I get the impression NATO has clearly set their / our stall out on this point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted March 4, 2022 Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 10 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: And officially start the Third World War? It wouldn't be the west that started it. Besides, I think if putin is prepared to go that far and attack the west, he will do it in the future anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted March 4, 2022 Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 Do we know if all the promised weapons are getting to where they are needed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted March 4, 2022 Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 To be honest, hope is all the Ukraine has. At the outset, I thought that Russia would overcome them, but with less resistance. Nothing has changed - just a rising death toll, plus the demolition of cities. A sad day for the civilised world. The end game for Putin is that he gains territory with vast wealth. To a tyrant like him - it's a no-brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted March 4, 2022 Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 10 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: Whilst it seems inevitable that, without external intervention, they cannot ultimately win militarily but I don't see how the end game results in a real win for Putin Looks like he'll control part of the Ukraine, control access to the Black Sea, and have given the finger to the West again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted March 4, 2022 Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 He clearly has a number of primary motives. Ultimately to reinstate the USSR In the short term they probably include. Reinstate the water supply to the bit of Ukraine already annexed. Control the flat plains leading to Russia, as that is a strategic weak point, if they were ever invaded. 22 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: Well said on the Ukrainian people. Nearly everybody seems to have written them off, even last week Andrew Neil said that Ukraine was already lost. A week in the Russian Army control one major city, every day that passes where Ukraine is not lost is a political win for them. Whilst it seems inevitable that, without external intervention, they cannot ultimately win militarily but I don't see how the end game results in a real win for Putin. Each day that Ukraine stands is another day of hope and opportunity that something really bad happens to Putin from within (or by Mother Nature). On the topic of NATO pushing in from the west, I guess it's less of an escalation than implementing a no fly zone but I get the impression NATO has clearly set their / our stall out on this point? Absolutely agree with you there. Including NATO setting their stall out. They obviously don't want to ignite ww3 or be seen to inflame anything which would suit Putins narrative. I just feel the Ukrainian people have shown bravery and willingness to fight and we should help, I know how I would feel if I was them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted March 4, 2022 Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 47 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: And officially start the Third World War? Hello, the Russians have just as much to loose, if all NATO and USA put all their fire power and military on the Ukraine border would Russia retaliate ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted March 4, 2022 Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 12 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: I just feel the Ukrainian people have shown bravery and willingness to fight and we should help, I know how I would feel if I was them. I agree and this is part of the frustration, if Putin pushes into NATO territory then we have no choice but to act in which case we might as well have done so initially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted March 4, 2022 Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Gordon R said: To be honest, hope is all the Ukraine has. At the outset, I thought that Russia would overcome them, but with less resistance. Nothing has changed - just a rising death toll, plus the demolition of cities. A sad day for the civilised world. The end game for Putin is that he gains territory with vast wealth. To a tyrant like him - it's a no-brainer. I have a little more faith .... Putin has very little support, and his resources are enough to overcome Ukraine, but not a lot else in the short term. We know several powerful people in Russia are distancing themselves from the action, and global isolation is another outcome I don't believe he was bargaining on. The true horror of what he's doing will be difficult to keep hidden in today's world of mobile phones. Completely agree on the rising death toll, demolition, and how sad it is for the civilised world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted March 4, 2022 Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 35 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: I agree and this is part of the frustration, if Putin pushes into NATO territory then we have no choice but to act in which case we might as well have done so initially. 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted March 4, 2022 Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 When you look at this map, it's hard to see them not taking everything East of the river Dnipro, it's alot of territory to give but you would hope the bridges are ready to blow, but it's an awfulawfully long line to defend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 4, 2022 Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 46 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, the Russians have just as much to loose, if all NATO and USA put all their fire power and military on the Ukraine border would Russia retaliate ?? I reckon they would under Putin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted March 4, 2022 Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 On 02/03/2022 at 12:36, Rewulf said: The EU doesnt have any planes It probably thinks it has its own air force and everything, but no , it has pens, laptops , a 10 billion euro admin budget , and about as much tactical knowledge as my cat. And NATO isnt sending any planes either, its called propaganda. https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2022/03/01/no-eu-countries-arent-sending-fighter-jets-to-ukraine/ DON'T BE CRUEL TO YOUR CAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It has far more intelligence and tactical ability than any of the leeches in Brussels. They all live in cloud cookoo land and Macron is only sticking his head above the parapet because imminent election. I forget which US President but back in the sixties France dropped out of NATO and ordered that all US troops bewithdrawn from French soil... a quick repost from the then US President asked if that included all of those lying under French soil. My mother had a saying for men like Macron...."All mouth and trousers"...fits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted March 4, 2022 Report Share Posted March 4, 2022 Quote 8 hours ago, 12gauge82 said: Without assistance it is unfortunately a fight they will likely ultimately loose. I do feel at this point nato should push in from the west and hold any uninvaded areas, the Ukrainians have proved they deserve our help. All that would is escalate the fighting and increase the death and destruction, on all sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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