B725 Posted August 23, 2022 Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 What is the legal definition of capacity of a gun cabinet ? Is it defined by the foam slots to hold the gun's or by how many you can get in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B725 Posted August 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 What is the legal definition of capacity of a gun cabinet ? Is it defined by the foam slots to hold the gun's or by how many you can get in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted August 23, 2022 Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 Years ago a Derbyshire FEO looked at my 7 gun cabinet and said I could get two more in across the front, so he would put me down for 9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B725 Posted August 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 I was told similar but unfortunately doesn't provide a legal definition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arjimlad Posted August 23, 2022 Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 I am not aware that there is one. Some cabinets can accommodate more than the number of foam slots. Why do you ask? My FEO observed the number of guns in my cabinet without any problem at all whatever the nominal capacity of the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B725 Posted August 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 It's because I've bought another two guns but all seven I own fit in it ok ,the firearms team want to know it's capacity for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHenry Posted August 23, 2022 Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 (edited) Possibly not what you are looking for, as it's not a firm assurance - but generally, in the absence of a legal definition, the law presumes the common or everyday definition. There are some slight qualifications to this - for instance, the RTA takes on board the highway code. So any changes in that then filter down. Edited August 23, 2022 by PeterHenry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted August 23, 2022 Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 (edited) The capacity of a gun cabinet should not (but does with some police forces) have anything to do with the amount that you can fit inside. For example, I have a 5 gun cabinet but I have put 8 shotguns in there. When the FEO called 2 years ago regarding my renewal, I showed him the guns inside the cabinet, and he wasn't concerned one bit. Edited August 23, 2022 by steve_b_wales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted August 23, 2022 Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 put down its cubic capacity and number of guns kept in there........? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted August 23, 2022 Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 1 hour ago, B725 said: What is the legal definition of capacity of a gun cabinet ? No such animal. In these matters, the force is free to interpret the guidance from the home office how they see fit. So, some forces will be entirely unbothered if you exceed the manufacturer’s stated capacity, others won’t. Seems like a poor choice of hill to die on in my opinion, cabinets are more expensive than they were before the pandemic, but still relatively affordable compared with the cost of what’s stored in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted August 23, 2022 Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 Email them a picture of the cabinet with the guns fitting sensibly inside any queries just buy another cabinet then room to expand the collection 🤭 It’s hard to give a definition as single barrel guns take up less room than double side by sides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted August 23, 2022 Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 I would be inclined to say that the capacity is 7 (because 7 fit in safely) and send a photo of how they fit in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy H Posted August 23, 2022 Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 As above no legal definition , The capacity is whatever you can shoehorn into it and lock it , It's not like a car which has 5 seat's legaly but you could cram 10 into it but your driving license would take a beating with point's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B725 Posted August 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 It's never been questioned before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuke Posted August 23, 2022 Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 EN standard 1143? /Markus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted August 23, 2022 Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 Gun cabinet rules - what you need to know as a responsible shooter (shootinguk.co.uk) How many guns can I keep in my gun safe? Q: I’ve just bought another gun, bringing my total up to five. But my gun safe only says it holds four. Should I buy a larger one? A: In fact you can store as many guns in your gun safe as it will hold. The manufacturer’s description is just a guide. Try installing the gun cabinet lying down as this can double it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddoakley Posted August 23, 2022 Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 No legal definition as the amount of space required varies with each gun or type of gun. If they fit its acceptable. If FEO says otherwise just ask him to show you why. Edd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B725 Posted August 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 57 minutes ago, Gordon R said: Gun cabinet rules - what you need to know as a responsible shooter (shootinguk.co.uk) How many guns can I keep in my gun safe? Q: I’ve just bought another gun, bringing my total up to five. But my gun safe only says it holds four. Should I buy a larger one? A: In fact you can store as many guns in your gun safe as it will hold. The manufacturer’s description is just a guide. Try installing the gun cabinet lying down as this can double it. Thank you for that I didn't think there was any thing other than what you could fit in it. Still cannot understand why they are asking the question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holloway Posted August 23, 2022 Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 I had a phone call when I bought my fourth gun from the police asking me how I was going to store it as I only had a 3 gun cabinet. They arranged a visit to see my new security arrangement which was to take the foam out of the 3 gun cabinet and put my fourth gun in it instead. This cunning plan was spotted straightaway by the observant officer who said it was the same 3 gun cabinet ,ah I said but how many guns are in it ? 4 he replied I didn’t have to point out that now it was a 4 gun cabinet he left quite happy ,a complete waste of everyone’s time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted August 24, 2022 Report Share Posted August 24, 2022 9 hours ago, holloway said: I had a phone call when I bought my fourth gun from the police asking me how I was going to store it as I only had a 3 gun cabinet. They arranged a visit to see my new security arrangement which was to take the foam out of the 3 gun cabinet and put my fourth gun in it instead. This cunning plan was spotted straightaway by the observant officer who said it was the same 3 gun cabinet ,ah I said but how many guns are in it ? 4 he replied I didn’t have to point out that now it was a 4 gun cabinet he left quite happy ,a complete waste of everyone’s time. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Boggy Posted August 24, 2022 Report Share Posted August 24, 2022 13 hours ago, Old farrier said: Email them a picture of the cabinet with the guns fitting sensibly inside This. Kent Police once queried that I had 5 guns in what was theoretically a 3 gun cabinet and I emailed them a photo of the 5 guns which were top and tailed to get them in and they were quite happy. So long as the cabinet door shuts and locks, there shouldn’t be any problem as the guns are secure to comply with Home Office guidance. No doubt varying police forces put their own interpretation on things though. OB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted August 24, 2022 Report Share Posted August 24, 2022 But, gun security is the responsibility of the individual SGC holder. If anyone asks why you have 5 guns in a so called "3 gun" cabinet ask them to justify their question! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted August 24, 2022 Report Share Posted August 24, 2022 (edited) Being realistic here, the storage of ONE gun should be equal to that of the storage of 100 guns, within the home. There is NO capacity size for a cabinet as long as the door closes and locks. I removed the gun spacers from my cabinet and stored top to tail I can get around 15 guns in it. The spacer fitted was for 5 guns ? Over the years I have heard such ridiculous suggestions made by various Forces, that they have become Farces. " If you have more than 3 guns, then you must have window locks" being just one. The Firearms Act states 'a securely fastened cabinet ' and makes no reference to the numbers within it, to the best of my knowledge. Edited August 24, 2022 by Westley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B725 Posted August 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2022 I have phoned BASC rather than email as I'm still waiting for a reply from an email last week, no one answer's the phone so I've left a voice mail, it does appear BASC are becoming difficult to contact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospero Posted August 24, 2022 Report Share Posted August 24, 2022 I have a 3 gun cabinet, and I've had 4 guns inside it for around 6 years. In terms of capacity, 5 pints and I'm done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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