Scully Posted October 11, 2023 Report Share Posted October 11, 2023 9 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Was there a Fire at an Airport somewhere? Yep. Luton. Just been on the news! 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted October 11, 2023 Report Share Posted October 11, 2023 For a minute there i thought i had logged into the rusty landrover appreciation society Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 11, 2023 Report Share Posted October 11, 2023 You too eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 11, 2023 Report Share Posted October 11, 2023 23 minutes ago, welsh1 said: For a minute there i thought i had logged into the rusty landrover appreciation society 😄The one in the fire will be rusty very soon now. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmaxphil Posted October 12, 2023 Report Share Posted October 12, 2023 All this hype about ev cars catching fire did we not have a batch of Vauxhall's catching fire not long ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratlegs Posted October 12, 2023 Report Share Posted October 12, 2023 Will the No claims bonus have gone????? How much to renew ????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted October 12, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2023 well look on the bright side ....it was an environmentaly friendly fire.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyefor Posted October 12, 2023 Report Share Posted October 12, 2023 1 hour ago, vmaxphil said: All this hype about ev cars catching fire did we not have a batch of Vauxhall's catching fire not long ago? Two shiploads carrying several thousands of completed (German?) cars have sunk in the past couple in the years, blamed on EV's. This one and one earlier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted October 12, 2023 Report Share Posted October 12, 2023 The ship didn't sink. It was towed to port, cars made safe where necessary and those on decks unaffected offloaded. If you have the time, this video is worth a watch. Shows a potential means of fighting EV fires, but also a good techie discussion around fires in structures such multi-stories etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymondley Posted October 12, 2023 Report Share Posted October 12, 2023 I'm about 10 miles cross country from the airport and I heard the explosions, sounded like distant thunder. I didn't know about the fire until I heard it on the news the next day. I've no idea of the statistics, but after 45 years in the motor industry my experience is that cars catching fire is fairly rare, I've seen a number of vehicles that have been driven about with quite severe fuel leaks that haven't gone up. There certainly seems to be more reported recently, perhaps EV fires are at a similar rate to other vehicle fires, it's just they're more newsworthy. With all those vehicles in close proximity any fire was going to be difficult to contain, the fact there was no sprinkler system fitted is beyond belief. No doubt the cost of this will be passed onto all of us by the insurance companies by way of increased premiums. 7 hours ago, vmaxphil said: All this hype about ev cars catching fire did we not have a batch of Vauxhall's catching fire not long ago? Certain Vauxhall's had form for fire's starting within the cabin blower motor, some not all, were caused by a bodged repair in response to a design fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted October 12, 2023 Report Share Posted October 12, 2023 I don't think a sprinkler system would be very useful in a concrete/steel multi story car park containing steel/plastic cars with oil based fuel or batteries in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biffo1262 Posted October 14, 2023 Report Share Posted October 14, 2023 (edited) On 11/10/2023 at 12:17, udderlyoffroad said: Seems it was a relatively new structure built without a sprinkler system. What utter ****wittery. Bet the interruption to flight ops has already cost them more than the sprinkler system would have. Incidentally, whether the initial source of ignition was an ICE or EV - and it looks increasingly likely that it was a Diesel Range Rover - I've said on here before that we need to update building regulations where EVs congregate to mitigate the effects of thermal runaway. And actual experts are saying this too. Open car parks aren't required to have a sprinkler system and are only required to have 15 minutes structural fire resistance. That was based originally the fire involving only a single vehicle. Unfortunately even though it is thought to have started in a diesel car, many new cars have Lithium 12v system batteries and add to that the Lithium batteries of any adjacent vehicles are also going to be heat affected and degrade. The design of these structures is surely now going to have to be reassessed in the light of increasing electric vehicle fires. The Fire Brigades Union and many individual experts are calling for a complete reassessment on the use of Lithium batteries. Personally I won't ever buy an electric car powered by Lithium cells nor will I ride in one. I also won't ride a Lithium battery powered bus. Hydrogen cells are the same way to go. This government and the car industry rushed into what is now determined to be flawed technology. The date for ending fossil fuel powered cars has already been put back and I suspect it will be put back even further until hydrogen fuel cells are viable alternative. In the meantime please do not park your Lithium battery powered vehicle in a garage attached to a dwelling or too near your dwelling (personal advice as a retired fire officer but well meant). Edited October 14, 2023 by Biffo1262 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 14, 2023 Report Share Posted October 14, 2023 On 11/10/2023 at 12:18, Dave-G said: Or calculated miss information trying some damage control maybe... It's very hard for diesel to catch fire Almost impossible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 14, 2023 Report Share Posted October 14, 2023 I do wonder if we will ever hear the true cause, just appears to be another cluster ****! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted October 14, 2023 Report Share Posted October 14, 2023 38 minutes ago, Vince Green said: It's very hard for diesel to catch fire Almost impossible Agreed, but it may have been an electrical fault that started the fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted October 14, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2023 1 hour ago, old'un said: Agreed, but it may have been an electrical fault that started the fire. it was a land rover...what more do you want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted October 14, 2023 Report Share Posted October 14, 2023 35 minutes ago, ditchman said: it was a land rover...what more do you want Strange. I’ve had over a dozen and none of those have caught fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted October 14, 2023 Report Share Posted October 14, 2023 Some of these upmarket versions have a fuel fired heater (Ebespacher or Webasto) that burn fuel to pre warm the car. They can either be operated by a timer in the car's 'climate control system' as my BMW was, or from a remote keyfob (the RangeRover a fried had used this method). They were standard on some versions of the BMW X5 and mine never worked (never wanted it anyway as my car was garaged and the fumes would fill the garage), but a neighbours cut in every day and he couldn't stop it. I know some RangeRovers also had these. The fuel fired heater prewarmed the coolant and operated the interior fan and a small coolant circulating pump to pre-warm the car. One 'risk' was that the fume exhaust came out underneath and grass/leaves may have built up around it? Just a thought. There were all sort of dire warnings in the handbook about having them checked and not using in warm weather - or when car garaged (fume build up). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted October 14, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2023 1 hour ago, London Best said: Strange. I’ve had over a dozen and none of those have caught fire. ive had landrovers since 1977.....all fine......then they started making the arty farty ones for the la-la brigade......................more time in the dealership than out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 14, 2023 Report Share Posted October 14, 2023 Quote All this hype about ev cars catching fire did we not have a batch of Vauxhall's catching fire not long ago? Vauxhall Zafiras - the pollen filter behind the glove box. When you looked at how close to the open electrics and the paper filter were - also fan assisted - you could appreciate just how easily a fire could start. From memory a mixture of dodgy electric parts / badly installed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agriv8 Posted October 16, 2023 Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 Modern cars are permanently live the ignition switch is no more than a device to send a signal to the ecu and mechanical steering lock ( sometimes! ) the ecu is controlling sending big amps to start the vehicle or heated screen seats put this another way modern cars with lots of auxiliary services can go up due to a minor electrical issue ! Putting out fires on electric cars is an art o believe Agriv8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted October 16, 2023 Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 Ford Kugas used to have heated washer jets. These caused quite a few fires 🔥 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted October 16, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 anyone found out what the actual model of the car was ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted October 17, 2023 Report Share Posted October 17, 2023 Hi Given that most cars seem to be 'over-cooked' I doubt if you could say with 'beyond reasonable doubt' which particular vehicle and how it was the cause/start of the fire. Mis-information and theories will abound in the 'fog of environmental activisim' - if electric this will be surpressed but any other form of power - ..'yes, that was the one that done it, get rid of'! L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted October 17, 2023 Report Share Posted October 17, 2023 52 minutes ago, Loki said: Hi Given that most cars seem to be 'over-cooked' I doubt if you could say with 'beyond reasonable doubt' which particular vehicle and how it was the cause/start of the fire. Mis-information and theories will abound in the 'fog of environmental activisim' - if electric this will be surpressed but any other form of power - ..'yes, that was the one that done it, get rid of'! L There appears to be CCTV 'footage' showing the start of the fire around the front kerbside corner of a red Range Rover. The accompanying news report stated it was diesel powered. The CCTV would appear to be pretty conclusive as to just where and what vehicle was the source. The 'diesel powered' may be more 'assumption' unless the actual vehicle model/variant is known. In the footage I saw, the registration number wasn't sufficiently clear to read, but I'm guessing that with a little work (possibly earlier pre ignition footage?) it could be read, or the time of arrival cross checked with other CCTV records (entry lane cameras)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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