Trump and Zelensky Oval Office meeting

[NoBodyImportant]

7 minutes ago, welsh1 said:

I think you should look at all the main studies done by your own country when it comes to China, especially where Taiwan is involved, the gist is that China as well as invading Taiwan will strike at all your forces in South Korea and surrounding areas,the effect of this is that the reinforcements that are needed to get to taiwan are drawn from there, the USA will essentially be fighting on multiple fronts with each unable to assist the other.

No superpower is invincible or goes on forever, you forget that this tiny island of Britain once ruled most of the world with an empire bigger than the world has ever seen to date, we are now but a cog in the wheel, but we have knowledge and vast experience in world politics.

Don't dismiss or bully your allies, you may need their help one day, help that may not be offered.

Every year the US gives away 70 to 100 billion in foreign aid.  That would build 7-10 new aircraft carriers.  That would be better use of our money than condoms for Africa.  In 10 years we could buy 70-100 carriers (not that we need that many). But just making a point 

Edited yesterday at 08:30 by NoBodyImportant

[ditchman]

all this what is happening across the world is the start of the next world age 

"The fight for resources"

whatever conflict...you see... the above will be the base of it.... 

[old'un]

5 minutes ago, ditchman said:

all this what is happening across the world is the start of the next world age 

"The fight for resources"

whatever conflict...you see... the above will be the base of it.... 

 

And the next thing they will be fighting over are the craters on the Moon

[welsh1]

Just now, NoBodyImportant said:

Every year the US gives away 70 to 100 billion in foreign aid.  That would build 7-10 new aircraft carriers.  That would be better use of our money than condoms for Africa.  

How quickly can you build them, because China now builds them at a rate that you cannot,and is on track to become the biggest navel power in the very near future.

Remember you need friends in this world,ones you can rely on when everything is going wrong,at the moment your leader and his sidekick seem to have forgotten that and the respect given to your leaders had a big chunk knocked out of it this week.

I like Americans, I like your attitude,I like how you think that you can rather than can't. But I'm sorry your leaders are not leaders at the moment they are bullies and no one likes a bully.

Now I have a bike meeting to get to this morning , so I will end here for now,you are welcome to reply, but I won't be unless we stop for a coffee ,a bacon sandwich and a custard slice later this afternoon

[NoBodyImportant]

15 minutes ago, welsh1 said:

How quickly can you build them, because China now builds them at a rate that you cannot,and is on track to become the biggest navel power in the very near future.

Remember you need friends in this world,ones you can rely on when everything is going wrong,at the moment your leader and his sidekick seem to have forgotten that and the respect given to your leaders had a big chunk knocked out of it this week.

I like Americans, I like your attitude,I like how you think that you can rather than can't. But I'm sorry your leaders are not leaders at the moment they are bullies and no one likes a bully.

Now I have a bike meeting to get to this morning , so I will end here for now,you are welcome to reply, but I won't be unless we stop for a coffee ,a bacon sandwich and a custard slice later this afternoon

When Pearl Harbor was hit we had 7 aircraft carriers, when the war ended we had 151 finished with 17 being built but was scraped at the end of the war.  According to google the US built 9000 ships with 1200 being labeled  major combat ships during the span of the war.  So I think we could build quite a few.  But honestly we don’t need anymore.  That money could be better spent elsewhere.  Like missile defense or bombers. We built 300,000 planes during the war also 

Edited yesterday at 08:52 by NoBodyImportant

[janner]

7 hours ago, NoBodyImportant said:

I only remember the reporter asking about it to be honest.  I’m not saying it didn’t happen, I just remember the reporter asking about it and Trump saying he liked the sweater. 

It was the fat bloke to the rear right who asked the question as to whether President Zelensky owned a suit. It was he that President Zelensky first replied to,

I dont think he was a journo, more likely a plant to get the personal attack going and then vance took charge of the vitriolic charade.

 

Edited yesterday at 09:02 by janner

[oldypigeonpopper]

Hello, I just read that the UK gave Ukraine more money but it was described as a Loan ??

[old man]

16 minutes ago, janner said:

It was the fat bloke to the rear right who asked the question as to whether President Zelensky owned a suit. It was he that President Zelensky first replied to,

I dont think he was a journo, more likely a plant to get the personal attack going and then vance took charge of the vitriolic charade.

 

Looks like  Norwegian fueller doesn't like the disgraceful tirade from vance and trump? Now saying that they will not supply bunkering to American warships.?

On 28/02/2025 at 20:59, udderlyoffroad said:

 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 09:16 by old man

[old man]

2 hours ago, Pukka Bundook said:

Gentlemen,

This is a thread that  is going nowhere.

I cannot understand why you are bashing Trump when he is doing Exactly the right thing.

Member here 

NoBodyimportant  has mentioned numerous times the Ethnic cleansing that Has occured in the two provinces which Want to leave the Ukraine and become part of Russia.

He has been very largly ignored.

I do see some in agreement but many seem oblivious to these facts.

Noone in the western world or anywhere else had the balls to do anything about this Except Putin.

So this makes him out to be the bad guy?

Oh that life were so simple!

I ask you Trump and Putin bashers,

Why do you support a government guilty of ethnic cleansing of those who wish to leave the Ukraine?

Why do you support a government which cannot account for the vast majority of the money it has been handed?..Billions and billions if dollars?

Its Ok if you try and bash me over this, l don't care, but for Gods sake, its time to look at the facts and not swallow and repeat all the **** the media is spewing about this and a lot of other things!

This topic is long already, so will say no more.

All the best,

R.

 

 

 

My tiny irrelevant brain here has a different thought?

Firstly, world wide politicians have turned thievery into an art form? We will never have a truthful accounting as the regulators are kept in the dark too?

Historically most countries have committed grievous wrongs, none of which need revisiting or give the excuse for putins actions?

Nothing can alter the fact that putin invaded another country?

Trump has eyes in your direction?

I'm in agreement nothing further need be said on this one.

 

[NoBodyImportant]

11 minutes ago, old man said:

Looks like  Norwegian fueller doesn't like the disgraceful tirade from vance and trump? Now saying that they will not supply bunkering to American warships.?

 

Norway government shut that down quick.  Says the US will get any supplies they ask for 

[oldypigeonpopper]

10 minutes ago, old man said:

Looks like  Norwegian fueller doesn't like the disgraceful tirade from vance and trump? Now saying that they will not supply bunkering to American warships.?

 

Hello, Trump may have made a big mistake on the meeting fiasco if all NATO go against his view on helping Ukraine

[janner]

Perhaps that part of D.T and v.p's plan,

Trump to let nato go it alone without the u.s.a as a member, 

Canada and greenland are both nato members and have been threatened by a close neighbour in the last month.

 

Edited yesterday at 09:51 by janner

[clangerman]

30 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, I just read that the UK gave Ukraine more money but it was described as a Loan ??

stung us for £2.6 billion within hrs of landing while some of our OWN people are homeless and hungry! 

[Newbie to this]

7 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, Trump may have made a big mistake on the meeting fiasco if all NATO go against his view on helping Ukraine

There is no NATO without America. There is no hope for Ukraine without America.

Maybe with European help they may hold out a bit longer, but their only real hope is a peace deal that will involve comprise. A comprise that will be hard to swallow and look unpalatable to all but Russia. 

But without all out war, with Europe and US involvement, and the fall of Russia (which will probably end in a nuclear war) Ukraine stands no chance of defeating Russia, anyone who thinks they can is delusional. 

The current path only leads to more death and the inevitable fall of the whole of the Ukraine.

I for one think peace should be sought, and this endless waste of life and money should be stopped.

Ukraine and Zelensky need to wake up to the truth. They are fighting an unwinnable war. Alienating the US only worsens their odds.

[semi-auto]

With regard to the 'journalist' who asked Zelensky about whether he owned a suit, did he also ask why Musk turned up at a cabinet meeting wearing a tee shirt and cap? The guy was obviously a 'plant'. Does anyone know who he was?

 

[oldypigeonpopper]

2 minutes ago, clangerman said:

stung us for £2.6 billion within hrs of landing while some of our OWN people are homeless and hungry! 

Hello, It realy brings it home when you see such huge payments go over seas when as you say Homeless and Hungary, Even Oxford a wealthy City i see so many sleeping rough

5 minutes ago, Newbie to this said:

There is no NATO without America. There is no hope for Ukraine without America.

Maybe with European help they may hold out a bit longer, but their only real hope is a peace deal that will involve comprise. A comprise that will be hard to swallow and look unpalatable to all but Russia. 

But without all out war, with Europe and US involvement, and the fall of Russia (which will probably end in a nuclear war) Ukraine stands no chance of defeating Russia, anyone who thinks they can is delusional. 

The current path only leads to more death and the inevitable fall of the whole of the Ukraine.

I for one think peace should be sought, and this endless waste of life and money should be stopped.

Ukraine and Zelensky need to wake up to the truth. They are fighting an unwinnable war. Alienating the US only worsens their odds.

Hello, As i posted before it is not a WAR, It was an Invasion by the Russians , And if Putin wins he will not stop at Ukraine 

[12gauge82]

3 hours ago, Pukka Bundook said:

Gentlemen,

This is a thread that  is going nowhere.

I cannot understand why you are bashing Trump when he is doing Exactly the right thing.

Member here 

NoBodyimportant  has mentioned numerous times the Ethnic cleansing that Has occured in the two provinces which Want to leave the Ukraine and become part of Russia.

He has been very largly ignored.

I do see some in agreement but many seem oblivious to these facts.

Noone in the western world or anywhere else had the balls to do anything about this Except Putin.

So this makes him out to be the bad guy?

Oh that life were so simple!

I ask you Trump and Putin bashers,

Why do you support a government guilty of ethnic cleansing of those who wish to leave the Ukraine?

Why do you support a government which cannot account for the vast majority of the money it has been handed?..Billions and billions if dollars?

Its Ok if you try and bash me over this, l don't care, but for Gods sake, its time to look at the facts and not swallow and repeat all the **** the media is spewing about this and a lot of other things!

This topic is long already, so will say no more.

All the best,

R.

 

 

 

For the exact reason you have raised. It's not black and white. 

Ukraine is a very corrupt country, there has been wrongs committed by the Ukranian government, but ultimately, just like it was wrong for the West to invade Iraq, despite Saddam Hussain being a vile dictator, the medicine can't be worse than the cure and invading Iraq caused many needless deaths around the world, far more than if we'd left it alone, it destabilized the middle East and opened the door for ISIS, a far worse entity than Hussain. 

Russia's invasion of Ukraine is unjustified, has caused over a million deaths and has solved almost nothing, that's why I and most sane people are against it. 

[mel b3]

28 minutes ago, Newbie to this said:

There is no NATO without America. There is no hope for Ukraine without America.

Maybe with European help they may hold out a bit longer, but their only real hope is a peace deal that will involve comprise. A comprise that will be hard to swallow and look unpalatable to all but Russia. 

But without all out war, with Europe and US involvement, and the fall of Russia (which will probably end in a nuclear war) Ukraine stands no chance of defeating Russia, anyone who thinks they can is delusional. 

The current path only leads to more death and the inevitable fall of the whole of the Ukraine.

I for one think peace should be sought, and this endless waste of life and money should be stopped.

Ukraine and Zelensky need to wake up to the truth. They are fighting an unwinnable war. Alienating the US only worsens their odds.

My knowledge of world politics is very very limited to say the least , but this is exactly the way that I see things. 👍

[Newbie to this]

24 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

 

27 minutes ago, Newbie to this said:

There is no NATO without America. There is no hope for Ukraine without America.

Maybe with European help they may hold out a bit longer, but their only real hope is a peace deal that will involve comprise. A comprise that will be hard to swallow and look unpalatable to all but Russia. 

But without all out war, with Europe and US involvement, and the fall of Russia (which will probably end in a nuclear war) Ukraine stands no chance of defeating Russia, anyone who thinks they can is delusional. 

The current path only leads to more death and the inevitable fall of the whole of the Ukraine.

I for one think peace should be sought, and this endless waste of life and money should be stopped.

Ukraine and Zelensky need to wake up to the truth. They are fighting an unwinnable war. Alienating the US only worsens their odds.

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Hello, As i posted before it is not a WAR, It was an Invasion by the Russians

Semantics, invasions lead to war. Either way. My post still stands. Change war to invasion if that helps

27 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

And if Putin wins he will not stop at Ukraine 

Any actual proof to back this claim up, or is it just an emotive prediction.

[clangerman]

36 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, It realy brings it home when you see such huge payments go over seas when as you say Homeless and Hungary, Even Oxford a wealthy City i see so many sleeping rough

Hello, As i posted before it is not a WAR, It was an Invasion by the Russians , And if Putin wins he will not stop at Ukraine 

I been hearing the Russian threat for over sixty five years and boyo still hasn’t arrived because it’s gov cobblers to keep the donkey voters under control! lol 

[oldypigeonpopper]

33 minutes ago, Newbie to this said:

Semantics, invasions lead to war. Either way. My post still stands. Change war to invasion if that helps

Any actual proof to back this claim up, or is it just an emotive prediction.

Hello, Emotive or not there has been many learned people say the same, and Countries on the Border with Russia like Latvia /  Estonia must be looking at their situation, Although Latvia has nearly 500,000 Russians living there any way like those on the Ukraine Border , Even a few years back when i went to Latvia and Estonia the talk by most Nationals was on Russia and would Putin Invade, This was before Russia invading Ukraine

Edited yesterday at 10:54 by oldypigeonpopper

[Stonepark]

28 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

For the exact reason you have raised. It's not black and white. 

Ukraine is a very corrupt country, there has been wrongs committed by the Ukranian government, but ultimately, just like it was wrong for the West to invade Iraq, despite Saddam Hussain being a vile dictator, the medicine can't be worse than the cure and invading Iraq caused many needless deaths around the world, far more than if we'd left it alone, it destabilized the middle East and opened the door for ISIS, a far worse entity than Hussain. 

Russia's invasion of Ukraine is unjustified, has caused over a million deaths and has solved almost nothing, that's why I and most sane people are against it. 

 

 

The coup in Ukraine was unjustified and has caused over a million deaths, which has led to nowhere, that's why I and most sane people were against it and are even more against the continual drain of our own country of £Billions to support a corrupt and illegal Ukrainian Government.

if we (in particular Boris) had not promised this support the Istanbul agreement in 2022 would have avoided the expansion of the war and provided a peaceful settlement.

[Newbie to this]

25 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, Emotive or not there has been many learned people say the same, and Countries on the Border with Russia like Latvia /  Estonia must be looking at their situation, Although Latvia has nearly 500,000 Russians living there any way like those on the Ukraine Border , Even a few years back when i went to Latvia and Estonia the talk by most Nationals was on Russia and would Putin Invade, 

So no actual proof, just an assumption.

Latvia and Estonia are members of NATO, so unless Putin wants an all out war with NATO, which would probably end up being nuclear, I think they can rest easy.

That is of course if we don't alienate NATO's biggest member and they pull out. Then they should worry along with the rest of us..... something which Zelensky and our so called leaders seem hell bent on doing.

Edited yesterday at 11:01 by Newbie to this

[Raja Clavata]

1 hour ago, semi-auto said:

With regard to the 'journalist' who asked Zelensky about whether he owned a suit, did he also ask why Musk turned up at a cabinet meeting wearing a tee shirt and cap? The guy was obviously a 'plant'. Does anyone know who he was?

 

Brian Glenn

[100milesaway]

21 hours ago, Eyefor said:

Come you masters of war
You that build the big guns
You that build the death planes
You that build all the bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks

You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly

Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain

You fasten all the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you sit back and watch
When the death count gets higher
You hide in your mansion
While the young people's blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mud

You've thrown the worst fear
That can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children
Into the world
For threatening my baby
Unborn and unnamed
You ain't worth the blood
That runs in your veins

How much do I know
To talk out of turn
You might say that I'm young
You might say I'm unlearned
But there's one thing I know
Though I'm younger than you
That even Jesus would never
Forgive what you do

Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good?
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could?
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul

And I hope that you die
And your death will come soon
I'll follow your casket
By the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand over your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead

.............

 

This is from 1963 !

Was weaned on this at 17 and the only lass in my group of villages that wore a ban the bomb badge.I soon realised I was in a minority and nothing I ever could do would change a world that was governed by money. Nothing has changed.

From Auntie.