AlexThePoacher Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 So I went out for a few a couple of weekends ago and the nightclub had closed and I needed to relieve myself. I did so in a doorway which was a stupid thing looking back now. Police caught me doing it and said it was going to go to court. I hadn't heard anything for a couple of weeks and tonight they came round to see me. They told me I could go to court and go down that route and potentially I would get a criminal record for Drunk and Disorderly or I could pay the £90 fine. What would the advice be from the members of the forum be apart from in the future to not drink so much alcohol. Most of all I'm worried about losing my shotguns if I'm totally honest as it would be a big part of my life ruined by a simple mistake when drunk. I am not known to the police and this is the first time they have spoke to me. The woman who was there at the time came around because she wanted to give me another option to sort it instead of going down the court route. So what should I do? Accept the £90 fine or go the court route? The Police Sgt has already made his statement already so the ball is in my court as such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Pay the fine then kick in all of your internal doors. I'm not sure what you could gain by going to court so just suck it up and pay. Don't do the door bit though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexThePoacher Posted February 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 I think that's the route I'm going to have to take. Do you think I'll lose my shotgun certificate for that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartynGT4 Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 (edited) Get some legal advice. If it goes to court, it could end up in the local rag. Doubt you'll lose your ticket over it but don't be surprised if your FEO wants a word. Edited February 17, 2015 by MartynGT4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexThePoacher Posted February 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 It won't go to court if I pay the £90 fine. That will be the end of the matter. And I'm already awaiting that chat as I'm sure it will come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Just make sure the ticket is for urinating and not for being drunk and disorderly. It's a significant difference where your guns are concerned. I would also ring up your feo just to let him know. They would find out anyway but it shows that your open and honest and regret your actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallshort Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 If you know you were urinating in the street why take it to court? Did you do it? Yes, pay the fine move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 I've been prosecuted for that years ago didn't get the fine option, it went to court and in the local paper aswell feo didn't even mention it and I also forgot about it. Never made a difference to my FAC/SGC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingo15 Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Pay the fine move on. But as said make sure it's for urinating in the street and nothing else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 I'd be tempted to pay the fine ensure the ticket says urinating not D&D but also insure there is nothing else linked like a police caution, they like to think they are nothing but they are more serious at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Were you drunk? You dont have to be drunk and disorderly to get caught short for a wee. Could it be a case of changing facts for fiction to get a better result? That must be a very unpleasant aspect for neighbours living near pubs and clubs etc. I'd want the police to crack down on it if it were my front or shop doorway. I'd rather get done in court for urinating in public than being done on the quiet for being drunk if I weren't - so look closely at ANY paperwork because it sounds like it might be an offer of a caution. Just pays to find somewhere discrete like a quiet patch of ground or tree where it won't stink up someones front doorway next time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Just make sure the ticket is for urinating and not for being drunk and disorderly. It's a significant difference where your guns are concerned. I would also ring up your feo just to let him know. They would find out anyway but it shows that your open and honest and regret your actions. +1 Urinating in the street is not drunk and disorderly. Who is to say you were drunk? In london at night you see people pee-ing in the streets all the time at night because they closed all the public toilets. I don't see you can be blamed for a call of nature. The shop doorway, thats different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Were you breathalysed?-if not then I cannot see them proving D&D? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Sounds like you need potty training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 pay the fine, and forget it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougall Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 I am not a lawyer...presumably the fine route is accepting a police caution,what is the offence on that caution? If in any doubt and you value your license take legal advice..I do not know but would think a D&D with shotguns dont mix too well... I've been prosecuted for that years ago didn't get the fine option, it went to court and in the local paper aswell feo didn't even mention it and I also forgot about it. Never made a difference to my FAC/SGC. no doubt you put the offence down on your renewal application? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 We have half the Public Conveniences we used to have. You see the council shuts them all down as they are too costly to run so everyone has to **** in the street like you. Pay your fine and move on. Ask the recipient to save the money and build some loo's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Another vote for legal advice! Be careful.........just exactly what you are accepting/agreeing to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lampwick Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Ask if you can go on a ******* course!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labstaff Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 It sounds more like they are offering you a fixed penalty notice (aka a ticket). You don't pay a fine for a caution. Were you breathalysed?-if not then I cannot see them proving D&D? Police officers are classed as expert witnesses for drunken behaviour in a court so would not have to breathalyze to prove the offence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentalmac Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 I would just pay the fine but as said make sure it states urinating in public, and tell your FEO about it, being open and honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 (edited) So I went out for a few a couple of weekends ago and the nightclub had closed and I needed to relieve myself. I did so in a doorway which was a stupid thing looking back now. Police caught me doing it and said it was going to go to court. I hadn't heard anything for a couple of weeks and tonight they came round to see me. They told me I could go to court and go down that route and potentially I would get a criminal record for Drunk and Disorderly or I could pay the £90 fine. What would the advice be from the members of the forum be apart from in the future to not drink so much alcohol. Most of all I'm worried about losing my shotguns if I'm totally honest as it would be a big part of my life ruined by a simple mistake when drunk. I am not known to the police and this is the first time they have spoke to me. The woman who was there at the time came around because she wanted to give me another option to sort it instead of going down the court route. So what should I do? Accept the £90 fine or go the court route? The Police Sgt has already made his statement already so the ball is in my court as such. So I take it they cautioned, arrested and charged you? Did they take you into custody? If so under what circumstance did they release you? Did you agree to anything?If they/you didn't? surely it's too late for them to do anything? Unless you have or do agree/admit it? As I said legal advice should be sought to ensure you don't drop yourself deeper in the smelly stuff....if you are a member give BASC a ring for some advice. Edited February 17, 2015 by panoma1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow white Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Just pay up and forget it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexThePoacher Posted February 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Didn't admit to anything also wasn't arrested at time ect. I believe it's a fixed penalty notice and that is it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Just say you had to cool your barrel down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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