hollidca Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 What are all your thoughts on this? He actually paid more to shoot this lion than my university tuition fees... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33699346 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 I think he has been stitched up, paid for a legal hunt and ended up paying a stack to go poaching and shoot a celebrity lion..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenboy Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Also looks like he is going to have to relocate and change his name ! I agree it looks like he was shafted , but he does have a prior conviction for poaching Bear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Doesn't do anyone any favours, I see all the usual stuff is all over social media. He claims he was stitched up, but I doubt we will ever know. Shooting it with a bow wasn't a great move either.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzy518 Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 I don't know much about bows, but I can't think it's a suitable way to despatch a Lion. I have never agreed with Trophy hunting . The killing of any animal should be for either food, pest control or conservation and of course, for the welfare of the animal. Even then, the kill should be quick and humane affording the respect this Lion undoubtedly deserved. To kill something as magnificent as a Lion just for the sake of killing and having a new rug or wall hanger is abhorrent to me. Wether this guy was stitched up or not by some Del Boy outfit, he was ultimately the one behind the arrow. He sought them with the intent of killing a Lion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butchdickason Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Stiched up he may have been, but from what I have read the killing of the Lion was a botch up cross bow and then gun, if you want to do this sort of thing an instant kill is in my view top priority. Butch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Who knows, but him really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 I just want to know who called him "Cecil" Not really an all powerful name for such a beast. Ps, def wrong to have 'shot fishes in a barrel' moment as by footage I have seen he was extremely timid towards humans ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggysreels Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) I just want to know who called him "Cecil" Not really an all powerful name for such a beast. Ps, def wrong to have 'shot fishes in a barrel' moment as by footage I have seen he was extremely timid towards humans ..... Cecil Rhodes ?? The pleb is over 21 years old. He is educated and freely decided to travel to Africa. His past history suggests he thinks he is above the law. I hope he gets his just deserve Edited July 29, 2015 by hoggysreels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyska Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) Stitched up? Why did they destroy the tracking collar then? Whether it was Cecil or not, treating any animal like that makes you deserve that your next bowel movement in a hedgehog. Disgraceful Edited July 29, 2015 by kyska Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrM Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) Americans love hunting with compound bows - but even at arrow speeds of 400fps, I'm not convinced they have the power to take down an animal the size of a lion or bear. However, without this market the likes of Hoyt wouldn't exist. It does bring an interesting debate though I feel. If you talk to non shooters about pigeon shooting you might get a bit of a reaction, but generally not too much. Mention game birds and the reaction often increases. Talk deer stalker and you definitely get polarisation - and talk Big Game hunting such as this, and probably the over whelming reaction is a definite No. If anyone I'm talking to disagrees with shooting, then I ask them their view on fishing - rarely had anyone condemn that! So I make the point that everyone has their "size" acceptability - be it killing mice up to shooting Rhino. Personally, I would never go Big Game hunting. Edited July 29, 2015 by MrM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Prawn Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Personally don't agree with pure trophy hunting, especially not an endangered species and most definitely not with a bow - doesn't have anything like the power to cleanly kill and virtually every big game arrow hunt I've seen has involved hours of follow up with a wounded animal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Why's its disgraceful, most bows with a hunting broadhead arrow are putting far more enrgy into a beast at close ranges than most huntring bullets would. Basically like fireing a 400-500gr bullet with 4 razor sharp razor blades attached to it. This case sounds a complete botch up/cowboy job from start to finish and does no one any favours. But trophy hunting can bring in a vast ammount of money for very little work/efort when done sustainably. If 2-5 quid a month can save kids out there imagine how much good 32K will do for the locals. Mr M makes a very good point, many of us will bait foxes out and shoot them. Wots the difference? Both are appex predators and in some environments may need to be controlled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Two in court now charged with poaching & hunting without a license according to Sky News one's the land owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duckandswing Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 I don't know much about bows, but I can't think it's a suitable way to despatch a Lion. I have never agreed with Trophy hunting . The killing of any animal should be for either food, pest control or conservation and of course, for the welfare of the animal. Even then, the kill should be quick and humane affording the respect this Lion undoubtedly deserved. To kill something as magnificent as a Lion just for the sake of killing and having a new rug or wall hanger is abhorrent to me. Wether this guy was stitched up or not by some Del Boy outfit, he was ultimately the one behind the arrow. He sought them with the intent of killing a Lion My thoughts are the same on this matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennym Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Why's its disgraceful, most bows with a hunting broadhead arrow are putting far more enrgy into a beast at close ranges than most huntring bullets would. Basically like fireing a 400-500gr bullet with 4 razor sharp razor blades attached to it. This case sounds a complete botch up/cowboy job from start to finish and does no one any favours. But trophy hunting can bring in a vast ammount of money for very little work/efort when done sustainably. If 2-5 quid a month can save kids out there imagine how much good 32K will do for the locals. Mr M makes a very good point, many of us will bait foxes out and shoot them. Wots the difference? Both are appex predators and in some environments may need to be controlled I think your missing the point, the animal allegedly took 40 hours to die (just what i heard could be wrong) but what ever no one with any sense could argue in all seriousness that a bow is the right tool for the job. yes trophy hunting can help the villages but this is done by the correct body not for profit by private operations and it usually involves old or injured animals or a specific animal which needs culling, this cash has gone to fund someone's life style not to raise funds to save someone's life I like shooting and hunting, but an endangered apex predator baited off a reserve? wrong in so many ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 I don't know much about bows, but I can't think it's a suitable way to despatch a Lion. I have never agreed with Trophy hunting . The killing of any animal should be for either food, pest control or conservation and of course, for the welfare of the animal. Even then, the kill should be quick and humane affording the respect this Lion undoubtedly deserved. To kill something as magnificent as a Lion just for the sake of killing and having a new rug or wall hanger is abhorrent to me. Wether this guy was stitched up or not by some Del Boy outfit, he was ultimately the one behind the arrow. He sought them with the intent of killing a Lion Very close to my own thoughts. I can understand that hunting of lions is sometimes appropriate, just like any other wildlife species that live alongside man it will need to be managed at some point in time, whether to protect it or to thin numbers. I also recognise that where management needs to happen that having wealthy foreign hunters participate can bring in much needed income to these communities, but it must always be done with the requisite duty of care and respect to the animal in question and that has to mean taking every step to minimise the risk of not killing it cleanly and only killing the appropriate beasts. I think the 'hunter' in question deserves everything that is coming to him as a result of the negative media focus, not because he chose to hunt a lion, but because of the way he went about it. I absolutely do not believe his story that he was stitched up, I think he knew exactly what the situation was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) Could of easily taken 40 hours to follow up if gut shot with a rifle. I would think arrow placement was the issue here not it's suitability. I think your missing the point, the animal allegedly took 40 hours to die (just what i heard could be wrong) but what ever no one with any sense could argue in all seriousness that a bow is the right tool for the job. yes trophy hunting can help the villages but this is done by the correct body not for profit by private operations and it usually involves old or injured animals or a specific animal which needs culling, this cash has gone to fund someone's life style not to raise funds to save someone's life I like shooting and hunting, but an endangered apex predator baited off a reserve? wrong in so many ways. Edited July 29, 2015 by Penelope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 I don't agree with how it was killed or the reason for it - not to be eaten or for pest control. A bit odd that some of the outraged never bat an eyelid over rats. It's always whales, badgers or lions. They are magnificent creatures, but there is an element of double standards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 What are all your thoughts on this? He actually paid more to shoot this lion than my university tuition fees... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33699346 Im appalled that it costs that much to go to university ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrM Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) A bit odd that some of the outraged never bat an eyelid over rats. It's always whales, badgers or lions. They are magnificent creatures, but there is an element of double standards. Very much the point I was making earlier Gordon, - although I wouldn't necessarily agree it's double standards so much as levels of acceptability, as pretty much everyone will find it acceptable to kill some form of animal in their lifetime (unless you are a Buddhist!) - and yes that could be just semantics! Edited July 29, 2015 by MrM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morningflight Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 What a complete waste of money, over 30K to go to university Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 I do not believe for one moment that this worthless individual was stitched up, he was not carried blindfolded into the bush, no he would have carefully examined the creature through the lenses of his very expensive binoculars to see if it was a worthwhile trophy and one would assume in the process then have seen the tracking collar. I notice that he has a history in this type of behaviour, I sincerely hope that because of his wanton act of killing this magnificent local icon that the rest of his life turns to dog-#### and that he is left in despair for the rest of his days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennym Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Could of easily taken 40 hours to follow up if gut shot with a rifle. I would think arrow placement was the issue here not it's suitability. No I don't know if you use a bow or like bows or whatever could influence your view point but a bow is simply not the tool to use. Further to use your point about poor arrow placement yes thats right mainly because arrow placement is intrinsically more difficult than bullet placement, not wanting to belittle bows but for accuracy you would have a comparison between; A very expensive hunting rifle of the correct caliber with equally expensive glass Vs a bow & arrow?? whatever the fancy bow & arrow you're comparing the two? and coming up with a bow & arrow being suitable for the job,....really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funker Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 At least he's a dentist. He'll be able to put his teeth back in after someone smashes them out of his head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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