Newbie to this Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, DRWC said: Weird. I am with the Met and have five in a three. They are chilled about it. It’s like a game of Tetris trying to get them all in though Maybe it is just his specific FEO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 One of mine is stuffed full. I had one off my mate when he gave up his sgc and inherited a few airguns off another mate and customer when they passed. Having kids I have to lock them up. Feo was more than happy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob525 Posted April 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 Still waiting for the call, I'll keep you updated in what they have to say! Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barbel Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 just watch banging your rifle scope when getting them out, I feel like a brain surgeon when getting one out , 4 scoped rifles and shotgun, in a 5 gun cabinet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 On 29/04/2019 at 12:13, udderlyoffroad said: Ok, I’ll play Devil’s avocado here: If such a thing has attracted the interest of your FEO, why wouldn’t you invest in a decent size cabinet? I’m sure the letter of the law places no such requirement on you, but why risk getting into an argument with your FEO over that? I’m new to this shotguns lark, but have had air rifles for many years. Prior to my first ever FEO visit, I fitted an Ebay special, “7 gun” cabinet, total cost £180 delivered. Plus another £3.50 for some proper Fischer anchor bolts from Toolstation. My FEO duly visited, inspected and even passed comment on the fact that he had seen people "trying to cram quarts into pint points", and couldn’t understand why they’d risk damaging and scratching guns worth 10 times what a decent sized cabinet would cost. You could reasonably argue cost as a factor, but again, I respectfully suggest that if you have, say, a Browning or a Silver Pigeon check by jowl with others in the collection, that argument will seem unconvincing to an FEO. Why? Because we are governed by the LAW. It is not up to individual officers or departments to make it up as they go along. This type of attitude from FEO’s and firearm departments has been a long on-going issue. They have tried it in many many areas, and they have no legal right to do so. Refer them to the home office guidance if it is an issue. They have no right to add inconvenience to you. If 3 guns fit inside and lock securely then it’s fine. If you can fit a 4th or 5th into that same cabinet and lock securely exactly as before then that’s all that is needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 The problem is, with many people, they are 'afraid' to challenge authority. I've done this twice (with the excellent help and advice from BASC) and got two ridiculous conditions/refusals overturned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browning123 Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 54 minutes ago, steve_b_wales said: The problem is, with many people, they are 'afraid' to challenge authority. I've done this twice (with the excellent help and advice from BASC) and got two ridiculous conditions/refusals overturned. 👍👍👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 4 hours ago, Lloyd90 said: Why? Because we are governed by the LAW. 4 hours ago, steve_b_wales said: The problem is, with many people, they are 'afraid' to challenge authority. I've done this twice (with the excellent help and advice from BASC) and got two ridiculous conditions/refusals overturned. Thing is, I agree with you. I merely wondered whether this was the battle to pick, or whether there were other, more pertinent battles to pick. E.g. Conditions/refusals or variations taking ages. I'm amongst the first to suggest people contact BASC should they have any difficulties, especially with respect to Doctor problems. Remember, BASC themselves don't necessarily go reaching for the lawyers straight off the bat, rather they will usually assist you with wording in your correspondence to the constabulary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 I’m assuming you’re mate who’s guns you now have had a cabinet why don’t you fit that one seems a simple solution Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob525 Posted May 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 That wasn't really an option as they are very neatly and tightly fitted into custom concealed furniture and he expects to have them back "shortly". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandalf Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 I have now moved house and got a smaller cabinet but the one I had for the thirty years before that I made myself. Could have got 30 guns in it if I'd crammed them in. Absolutely secure and no questions ever asked. There is no law to say you have to have cabinet. The gun has to be secure. You could have a gun room that would take two or three hundred if you piled them up. If you then sold the pile and kept three it wouldn't make them anymore secure. He's way outside the regulations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savhmr Posted May 2, 2019 Report Share Posted May 2, 2019 I struggle to get 4 into a 6 gun cabinet...hockey-sticks yes, guns/rifles, no. Bought an extra cabinet to avoid getting rifles and scopes damaged when I increased the amount of guns owned. End of day...if they fit they fit, and security's fine. I was advised (strongly) to invest in a separate ammunition safe. I put forward the argument that a small ammo safe is probably an easier target than my large, and very substantial gun safe. House alarms, safes, big barky dogs and a Mrs with a blackbelt in eckythump helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted May 2, 2019 Report Share Posted May 2, 2019 (edited) Oh the ancient Yorkshire art of 'eckythump! Edited May 2, 2019 by TIGHTCHOKE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savhmr Posted May 3, 2019 Report Share Posted May 3, 2019 Flatcap, whippet, 'appen...Aye...try coming between t'Yorkshireman and 'is black puddin' an' see what 'appens, specially if ee's Eckythump Grand Masta! As only 50% Yorkshireman I'm not allowed inside t'hallowed halls of grand Echythump temple (tea rooms)....that's reserved for blackpudding belt 2nd Dans (and Jacks, and Olivers...). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m3vert Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 Not arguing that an FEO is right or wrong in asking for a bigger cabinet. However to play devils advocate maybe the logic behind it from the FEO is that if you need to take 5 mins placing guns in socks and place them in a particular order in a top and tail situation just to squeeze them into a crowded cabinet, they then think there is a chance you can't be ***** one night and just leave the gun outside the cabinet unsecured?? I would just buy a bigger cabinet, keeps the FEO happy and probably means your guns are less likely to be damaged taking them in and out of the cabinet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Boggy Posted May 5, 2019 Report Share Posted May 5, 2019 On 2 May 2019 at 10:54, TIGHTCHOKE said: Oh the ancient Yorkshire art of 'eckythump! Used to like the Goodies until Odious Bill started out on his own twitching adventures. Almost as bad as CP. OB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rookandrabbit Posted May 19, 2019 Report Share Posted May 19, 2019 Any updates regarding the outcome? Just now, Rookandrabbit said: Any updates regarding the outcome? On 30/04/2019 at 21:04, Rob525 said: Still waiting for the call, I'll keep you updated in what they have to say! Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob525 Posted May 19, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2019 Still no call! I'm not sure if I'll get one to be honest after this amount of time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted May 19, 2019 Report Share Posted May 19, 2019 10 minutes ago, Rob525 said: Still no call! I'm not sure if I'll get one to be honest after this amount of time Why don't you just remove the partitions and inform your FEO you've bought a bigger one? He'll never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUNKS Posted May 19, 2019 Report Share Posted May 19, 2019 I bet the FEO is just doing his duty by checking that you can store your mates guns safely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveboy Posted May 19, 2019 Report Share Posted May 19, 2019 The old "can you put it in writing" trick seems to make them rethink their position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted May 20, 2019 Report Share Posted May 20, 2019 Ask them to formally put it in writing and to confirm who or where BASC or anyone else’s legal team should respond normally makes them apply the HO guidelines accurately and sprite they where written. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diver One Posted May 20, 2019 Report Share Posted May 20, 2019 I "inherited" an additional 5 guns around Christmas just gone. After discussions with a very nice man at BASC ( actually an ex FEO ) he told me that the capacity of a cabinet was only a guideline based on the number of 'slots in the foam' and as long as the guns were secured it didn't matter. Topping and tailing I got 6 in easily.. as a result of this I now store my 725 "barrel down" even though two off the guns have been 'given back' as it gives more space Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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