oowee Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, NoBodyImportant said: I find it amusing that they are blaming Russia for the outcome of your vote. Who is blaming Russia for the outcome? Its a bit like blaming Russia for the outcome of the vote for Trump. It looks likely that they had a hand in both but that's a long way from deciding the outcome. Surely we should all be concerned at foreign inteference / intervention in democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 19 minutes ago, oowee said: Thanks for that I was not aware of the option. Do you reckon its driven by some Russian IT system? Hopefully the system has some way of weeding the foreign intervention out otherwise it's a great way for others to subvert what goes on. I don't think it's anything as sinister as that. My guess would be some genuine sigs from people living abroad, some sigs from people who shouldn't have a say (like Europeans desperate for us to stay in or people from countries not involved with the process), some people who just like to sign petitions, and a hell of a lot of fraudulent ones from people here using VPNs and throwaway email addresses to sign multiple times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Rewulf said: Surely if the terms were unfavourable, we wouldnt actually rejoin ? The terms of the WA are unfavourable, are we getting a vote on that ? Are we getting a vote on a delay, whether we want no deal ? Parliament courted the idea of a peoples vote, until they realised the appetite for having remain as one of the options wasnt popular, so that got dropped. Labour screamed for a general election 'To let the people have their say' until they found that they would get destroyed in one, so that got dropped. Yeah , youve got to love British 'democracy' 😂 But this is the problem, its not British, this is EU style democracy, you can have a vote, but only when we know youre going to vote for what outcome WE want. That's part of the problem, things would have to be really really bad outside of the EU for us to consider rejoining on less favourable terms - suits die-hard Brexiteers of course. Are you advocating further votes at this stage? I'm not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 hour ago, walshie said: Oh well, if the map you've seen only shows UK constituencies, I must be making it up and you must be correct. Or, possibly you didn't look properly and are answering based on assumption, rather than facts. Go to the bottom of the petition and click the link that says "Get petition data" and you will see votes from all sorts of places. Not everything you disagree with is twaddle, nor is everyone stupid. I didn't say or imply that, thanks for sharing where the country map link is, I will take a look. Just spoke to my colleague in the South of France (a Brit) and he signed the petition from there. I'm sorry but when people try to distort facts in an attempt to distort democracy in their favour then I'l call it twaddle and there is an element of replying in kind here too. There are some very well educated and articulate people expressing views opposed to mine here and that's great. 42 minutes ago, walshie said: I don't think it's anything as sinister as that. My guess would be some genuine sigs from people living abroad, some sigs from people who shouldn't have a say (like Europeans desperate for us to stay in or people from countries not involved with the process), some people who just like to sign petitions, and a hell of a lot of fraudulent ones from people here using VPNs and throwaway email addresses to sign multiple times. That's your opinion and it suits your ideology, so fine. Lots of supposition on your part though with very little data to support it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 50 minutes ago, oowee said: Who is blaming Russia for the outcome? Its a bit like blaming Russia for the outcome of the vote for Trump. It looks likely that they had a hand in both but that's a long way from deciding the outcome. Really ? So they helped decide the outcome then ? Ive said this before , if there was 1 shred of evidence, they would have found it, and used it to overturn both results, but they cant find it, theyve tried to manufacture it - failed. Theyve tried the #METOO route - failed. They tried to blacken Trumps name by locking up past associates, that they have dug that deep to find dirt on its embarrassing. Yet both Clintons have MASSES of dirty corrupt (literal) skeletons its ridiculous 😄 Wheres the big police investigation gone into Arron Banks Russian money ? Wheres the evidence ? Doesnt matter , just blame the Russkies and youve got them instantly de legitimised . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 Just now, Rewulf said: Really ? So they helped decide the outcome then ? Ive said this before , if there was 1 shred of evidence, they would have found it, and used it to overturn both results, but they cant find it, theyve tried to manufacture it - failed. Theyve tried the #METOO route - failed. They tried to blacken Trumps name by locking up past associates, that they have dug that deep to find dirt on its embarrassing. Yet both Clintons have MASSES of dirty corrupt (literal) skeletons its ridiculous 😄 Wheres the big police investigation gone into Arron Banks Russian money ? Wheres the evidence ? Doesnt matter , just blame the Russkies and youve got them instantly de legitimised . Give it time. Have a bit of patience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 Just now, oowee said: Give it time. Have a bit of patience. Yeah , its only been 3 years , give it another 3 , we might even have left the EU by then 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBodyImportant Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Really ? So they helped decide the outcome then ? Ive said this before , if there was 1 shred of evidence, they would have found it, and used it to overturn both results, but they cant find it, theyve tried to manufacture it - failed. Theyve tried the #METOO route - failed. They tried to blacken Trumps name by locking up past associates, that they have dug that deep to find dirt on its embarrassing. Yet both Clintons have MASSES of dirty corrupt (literal) skeletons its ridiculous 😄 Wheres the big police investigation gone into Arron Banks Russian money ? Wheres the evidence ? Doesnt matter , just blame the Russkies and youve got them instantly de legitimised . The Democrats literally claimed that the Russians altered the election because they exposed Hillary Clinton’s corruption. That was the whole angle. They where not worried about the corruption. Russians had nothing to do with the outcome of America’s election. Trump could literally get caught snorting cocain out of a dead hookers butt cheek and would have beat Clinton. America is tired of the lefts lunacies. I was born and raised Democrat but they no longer represent the Americain people. When we go to vote half of the people there speak Spanish. The right wants voter ID laws and the left says it’s racist because black people cant figure out how to get IDs. Right now you can walk into a voting pole and say that you are a citizen and you live in the district and vote. No ID needed. No proof needed. Trump won buy a landslide even with the illegals voting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, NoBodyImportant said: The Democrats literally claimed that the Russians altered the election because they exposed Hillary Clinton’s corruption. That was the whole angle. They where not worried about the corruption. Russians had nothing to do with the outcome of America’s election. Trump could literally get caught snorting cocain out of a dead hookers butt cheek and would have beat Clinton. America is tired of the lefts lunacies. I was born and raised Democrat but they no longer represent the Americain people. When we go to vote half of the people there speak Spanish. The right wants voter ID laws and the left says it’s racist because black people cant figure out how to get IDs. Right now you can walk into a voting pole and say that you are a citizen and you live in the district and vote. No ID needed. No proof needed. Trump won buy a landslide even with the illegals voting. Exactly. Its like the Libs / Dems secret 'ultimate' weapon , blame Russian collusion and you can make all those nasty right wingers go away, utterly pathetic. When, back on planet reality, the people that keep crying it are the ones that have fond memories and designs on creating their own little USSR. They just take people for idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 31 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: I didn't say or imply that, thanks for sharing where the country map link is, I will take a look. Just spoke to my colleague in the South of France (a Brit) and he signed the petition from there. I'm sorry but when people try to distort facts in an attempt to distort democracy in their favour then I'l call it twaddle and there is an element of replying in kind here too. There are some very well educated and articulate people expressing views opposed to mine here and that's great. That's your opinion and it suits your ideology, so fine. Lots of supposition on your part though with very little data to support it. It might be supposition or an educated guess, but if and when that figure reaches a higher number than Brits living abroad, the game will be up. It's nice to know at least one is genuine as per your friend. 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 22 minutes ago, walshie said: It might be supposition or an educated guess, but if and when that figure reaches a higher number than Brits living abroad, the game will be up. It's nice to know at least one is genuine as per your friend. 👍 Fair play fella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 How is this for different, just been sent a job from an agency, very good money flights and accommodation included in........................................... Poland!! Quite often get jobs in Norway but Poland is new 🤣🤣 mustn't be anyone there to run the machines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris B123 Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 Why was the armed forces put on standby and the reservists being called up in case we crashed out without a deal? What did they expect to happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 42 minutes ago, Chris B. said: Why was the armed forces put on standby and the reservists being called up in case we crashed out without a deal? What did they expect to happen? Nothing because they knew it wouldn't happen. Same reason troops weren't called up or put on standby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 so we now have a poo potful of "indickertive votes" to run thro the £80,000/year wasters....my god they are going to be a waste of time...they will be voting for ammendments like willy washers on the NHS with a soft brexit.............. the "deal" has been hit by a speeding Scania....backed over several times.....beaten to death by folk with lump hammers.....dipped in acid....set fire to ...................and its still alive and kicking...........i give up this is the sort of persistance and deviousness....shown when claiming their expenses........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 4 hours ago, oowee said: Surely we should all be concerned at foreign inteference / intervention in democracy. That's exactly why some voted to leave the EU because of their foreign interference in our Democracy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 I don't know if they've happened but apparently there were planned demos today and more tomorrow?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 It's beyond me why the government would want to make this term it's last for a very, very long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 11 minutes ago, Mice! said: I don't know if they've happened but apparently there were planned demos today and more tomorrow?? I don't expect main stream media will give it the airtime it deserves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 The demos are mildly amusing, as if they seriously expect 17.4m voters to have a change of heart, because the rent a demo mob have turned out. Obviously they wouldn't want to be compared to the Yellow Vest protesters in France, who appear to be attempting to overturn democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandspider Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 I understand there are some pro-Brexit demos today (lorries going slow on some motorways) and an anti-Brexit march in London tomorrow. I expect to be told the latter is huge, biggest turnout ever etc. But I don't expect to hear very much about the former. I won't know whether there actually wasn't much of a pro-Brexit turnout, or if there was, but the media chose not to share it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 Just saw reports that there are over 3 milion signatures on the petition to revoke Article 50 BUT enquires have been made and almost half are from addresses in Europe in general and not from British people. The FAKE NEWS are reporting this left right and centre but I haven't seen a thing about how Nigels march is progressing. Says it all really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, Gordon R said: The demos are mildly amusing, as if they seriously expect 17.4m voters to have a change of heart, because the rent a demo mob have turned out. Obviously they wouldn't want to be compared to the Yellow Vest protesters in France, who appear to be attempting to overturn democracy. Sky news are actually admitting ...that the number 17.4milion..........has actually gone up ...shown by their limited private poll results Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 Hugh Grant signed the petition. With his excellent judgement, it must be worthy. No-one, but no-one has sounded me out as to whether I would change my vote, but idiots keep appearing on TV telling me that I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted March 22, 2019 Report Share Posted March 22, 2019 Who gives a fig how many sign a petition, we had a genuine vote...LEAVE WON. The END! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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