Rewulf Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
das Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 5 hours ago, Rewulf said: Thank you very much, that means a lot...Seriously ! Although a lot of the inspiration comes from others, I do try to condense what has happened, IS happening, and what might happen, into a manageable scenario. It helps to stand back , look at all the (often conflicting) information , and try and get 'The Big Picture' Its an interest I never had before the referendum, and its something Ive had to learn very quickly. Might not always get it right though ! I put the time in , because this IS important. Its important for everyone , no matter where you stand on it. Brown envelopes ? As much as I could use them..The right people dont accept them, something our elected need to remember. But , its not over till its over, but I think we are closer now than ever before... Hopefully we can get it resolved soon , and I can get back to working a full day , without my slow typing, bad grammar and dust covered keyboard keeping me from it. Cheers I wiil second this also with thanks. 4 hours ago, B725 said: On the TV last night some Labour bloke David Lammy? says its the public that should decide via another vote but they won't put no deal on the vote, why not if they they want the public to decide? Nobstick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 5 hours ago, Scully said: I don’t believe anyone is convinced WWIII will happen really, do you. People will just get on with getting on, like they always do. I’m not really sure what else anyone expects people to do. Throw themselves off a bridge? Not at all, but I’m not the one who stated they were prepared to go as far as ww3 to get Brexit done🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: Not at all, but I’m not the one who stated they were prepared to go as far as ww3 to get Brexit done🤣 I think I said I was prepared to accept the consequences of a no deal Brexit, which I am, because I don’t believe the consequences will be half as bad as the scaremongering remainers tried to convince us it would be. If we don’t leave we’ll never get to find out, unfortunately, but the WWIII suggestion is quite indicative of just how thick our politicians think we really are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 Remoaners in a bit of bother. Either Parliament accepts the deal Boris has brokered or we are out. He can be forced by law to ask for an extension, but the EU have ruled out any such extension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armsid Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 this has/is one of the best topics/debates i have read with rewulf leading the show well presented thought out and from the heart a true patriot unlike the clowns leading the country WELL DONE alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crosswaters Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, armsid said: this has/is one of the best topics/debates i have read with rewulf leading the show well presented thought out and from the heart a true patriot unlike the clowns leading the country WELL DONE alan well said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scouser Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 15 minutes ago, armsid said: this has/is one of the best topics/debates i have read with rewulf leading the show well presented thought out and from the heart a true patriot unlike the clowns leading the country WELL DONE alan Seconded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 I doff my cap to Rewulf. Stuck to the issues despite many attempts to deflect him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 Thanks chaps, feel quite humbled 😊 Not long to go now for a resolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 Rewulf to take over Bercow's seat - which reminds me how come the blob is still speaker in the new parliamentary session? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt Christopher Jones Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 9 hours ago, Gordon R said: Remoaners in a bit of bother. Either Parliament accepts the deal Boris has brokered or we are out. He can be forced by law to ask for an extension, but the EU have ruled out any such extension. No they havnt, its up to all 27 ,Not Junkers 8 hours ago, Dave-G said: Rewulf to take over Bercow's seat - which reminds me how come the blob is still speaker in the new parliamentary session? because he is still " working out his notice", if you care to pay attention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt Christopher Jones Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 I hope you wrexiteers have plenty of savings https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-economy/uk-heading-for-fairly-hard-brexit-if-johnson-deal-passes-idUKKBN1WW2F8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martyn2233 Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, Capt Christopher Jones said: I hope you wrexiteers have plenty of savings https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-economy/uk-heading-for-fairly-hard-brexit-if-johnson-deal-passes-idUKKBN1WW2F8 Nope no savings just keep working like normal to pay the bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 (edited) Well Boris managed to get a deal over the line with the EU when most expected it was a non starter. Sounds like its on a knife edge for Saturday. Setting aside all of the intricacies of the deal, It strikes me that the arrangement with NI is overly complex and with such arrangements the rule of unintended consequences is waiting to happen. My son has trading facilities to both the North and the South of the border and is talking about having an immediate trading advantage as a result. Edited October 18, 2019 by oowee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt Christopher Jones Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, martyn2233 said: Nope no savings just keep working like normal to pay the bills best get some overtime booked then 2 minutes ago, oowee said: Well Boris managed to get a deal over the line with the EU when most expected it was a non starter. Sounds like its on a knife edge for Saturday. Setting aside all of the intricacies of the deal, It strikes me that the arrangement with NI is overly complex and with such arrangements the rule of unintended consequences is waiting to happen. My son has trading facilities to both the North and the South of the border and is talking about having an immediate trading advantage as a result. well the border is now between 2 English areas & not between England / EU. More unnecessary bureaucracy for English companies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 25 minutes ago, Capt Christopher Jones said: No they havnt, its up to all 27 ,Not Junkers One veto and its done though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt Christopher Jones Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 Quote Yes but that vote hasnt taken place, The HoC has to vote frost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demonic69 Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 31 minutes ago, ShootingEgg said: One veto and its done though. 3 should be required for a Veto these days. The EU changed it a while back because a few countries, us included, were getting a bit shirty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 Fair play to Boris on getting a new deal agreed with the EU, regardless of whether the deal is viewed as good, bad or with indifference, he has achieved something that the EU said they wouldn't entertain previously (and are now saying again). Quite how much of that is down to Boris and how much the EU wanting a deal nearly as much as we do remains to be seen but, to be fair, credit where credit is due. Still a long way to go though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt Christopher Jones Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 (edited) Bozo has ditched ( geddit ) May`s RED lines to get the deal, what is now proposed ( Irish sea boarder ) is what the EU suggested in the first place I May rejected as it split the United Kingdom. What is now proposed are internal custom borders within the UK & that should be unacceptable, there will be a Scottish customs post nxt Edited October 18, 2019 by Capt Christopher Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retsdon Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Capt Christopher Jones said: I hope you wrexiteers have plenty of savings https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-economy/uk-heading-for-fairly-hard-brexit-if-johnson-deal-passes-idUKKBN1WW2F8 Yep. But in the modern age nobody cares about stuff that requires an attention span of more that about 15 seconds to digest. https://www.cer.eu/insights/brexit-and-rules-origin-why-free-trade-agreements-≠-free-trade And in a democracy, that has to be a worry. Take the Daily Mail for example. In past days it used to be a staid middle-brow newspaper with a reliably conservative if jingoistic slant. Yet somewhere along the line it's become a lurid tabloid, far more sensationalist than the original Sun was when it first came out. And as a tabloid, along with the conveyor belt of trivia generated shock or outrage, when it comes to deeper matters it eschews anything that smacks of nuance. The paper has basically become a cheerleader for its readership's prejudices, and of course the more it cheerleads the narrower those prejudices become. So political discussion isn't even predicated on political positions, but on personality. If Corbyn had negotiated a deal that permanently situated an intra-UK EU customs post in the Irish Sea this thread would be calling him all kinds of things. But when the Blonde One does the same thing, it's hailed as a triumph of diplomacy. There's no difference in the facts, just in the spin. In a democracy, when such little insight and thought goes into the formation of political perspective it has to be a worry because historically, this kind of emotive manipulation of the vulgus has been a symptom of civilized societies that are in decadent decline, and the outcome has almost inevitably been either populist authoritarianism or else full-blown ochlocracy. But that's just how it works I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 13 minutes ago, Capt Christopher Jones said: Bozo has ditched ( geddit ) May`s RED lines to get the deal, what is now proposed ( Irish sea boarder ) is what the EU suggested in the first place I May rejected as it split the United Kingdom. What is now proposed are internal custom borders within the UK & that should be unacceptable, there will be a Scottish customs post nxt The way the Snp are going there will be barbed wire on Hadrian's wall soon anyway, if they get their way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 Quote No they havnt, its up to all 27 ,Not Junkers Desperate to the last. 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dead eye alan Posted October 18, 2019 Report Share Posted October 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Capt Christopher Jones said: I hope you wrexiteers have plenty of savings https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-economy/uk-heading-for-fairly-hard-brexit-if-johnson-deal-passes-idUKKBN1WW2F8 Not going to happen like house prices going down did'ent happen, sauce Jeff Taylor, you should look at some of his vids! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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