Townie Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 Has everyone seen the news item about Tesco Christmas card supplier in China using prison labour? Provided the conditions are humane, I really can’t see the problem. It’s hardly chain gang stuff. Have I missed something? Any contrary opinions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del.gue Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 I suppose things like this can be genuine and it seems it has happened before... but....I read this incident on bbc and sky websites yesterday. The young girl who found the card, her father just happens to be some sort of legal adviser on human rights and exploitation. He is quite high powered and advised the government in the past. When i came to re read the items last night the reference to his job has been removed by sky and the bbc. Why? What are the chances of a young girl with a human rights dad finding this card? Maybe its just me being a suspicious type...but something is a bit whiffy about this. JMO.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 36 minutes ago, del.gue said: I suppose things like this can be genuine and it seems it has happened before... but....I read this incident on bbc and sky websites yesterday. The young girl who found the card, her father just happens to be some sort of legal adviser on human rights and exploitation. He is quite high powered and advised the government in the past. When i came to re read the items last night the reference to his job has been removed by sky and the bbc. Why? What are the chances of a young girl with a human rights dad finding this card? Maybe its just me being a suspicious type...but something is a bit whiffy about this. JMO.... My thoughts ran along similar lines - it all seemed too pat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 hello, it goes on all the time in China, in 2018 a similar report came from Walmart, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scutt Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 prison labour profits to help build more prison not a bad idea 😊 No doubt this goes on in China and many other Countries but as a others have noted is this just a ploy to raise awareness by the lasses dad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 Maybe we should do it here in the UK? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 Mm, maybe has the whiff of bullendung? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 And the forced labour can write a whole paragraph in English? you would like to think with education to that level they wouldn’t be in a labour camp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 The idea of convicted criminals contributing to their own detention/upkeep costs via their labour, rather than the taxpayer paying for it from public funds, has a certain irony to it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 Would it matter if it was chain gang stuff, they're in prison and should be punished daily. Sentences in our prisons should be shorter and much much harsher, daily floggings and hard labour. Repeat offending would go down an awful lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 I'd far rather that Tesco sourced their Christmas cards from the UK. That is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 The only downside I see to this is that as it’s China, the inmates may be guilty of nothing more than disagreeing with government politics. I believe the US prison system is one of that country’s largest industries, making everything from number plates to cutlery, and many other things in between. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 Snowflake issue reporting because they can't produce a sharp intake of breath for anything newsworthy at that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 10 hours ago, panoma1 said: Maybe we should do it here in the UK? 🤔 They can start by filling all the pot holes in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twenty Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 11 hours ago, ShootingEgg said: They can start by filling all the pot holes in... And picking all the fruit and veg, that (apparently), only eastern Europeans can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 11 minutes ago, twenty said: And picking all the fruit and veg, that (apparently), only eastern Europeans can do. My aunt and uncle had a fruit farm up until this Sept just gone. Not once did they have to employ foreign staff. Guess it depends on scale and location. But I agree, why should they just be sat doing nothing. Human rights work in the wrong ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arron yeates Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 Not seen the china issue your talking about but.. in our uk prisons we have many with buildings that package up goods for the whole salers. Hmp Guys Marsh has a workshop and within it are "residents" packaging up air fresheners. Not sure if they get paid for this in any way but id have thought they did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 21 hours ago, panoma1 said: The idea of convicted criminals contributing to their own detention/upkeep costs via their labour, rather than the taxpayer paying for it from public funds, has a certain irony to it! Dreams could be made of this? 16 hours ago, grrclark said: I'd far rather that Tesco sourced their Christmas cards from the UK. That is all. Sadly a few are more interested in Costa's and procreation here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 On 23/12/2019 at 07:48, del.gue said: I suppose things like this can be genuine and it seems it has happened before... but....I read this incident on bbc and sky websites yesterday. The young girl who found the card, her father just happens to be some sort of legal adviser on human rights and exploitation. He is quite high powered and advised the government in the past. When i came to re read the items last night the reference to his job has been removed by sky and the bbc. Why? What are the chances of a young girl with a human rights dad finding this card? Maybe its just me being a suspicious type...but something is a bit whiffy about this. JMO.... hello, i have to agree on your last paragraph, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 My wife bought a pair of boots a few years ago and, tucked down inside the toe, was a hand written note (in chinese) - we thought it was maybe just a QC note that had fallen into the boot but awhile later we asked a friend of my sons to read it and he said that it was from a young girl asking for help as she was being kept in prison and forced to work - she was 12 years old. We assumed it was some kind of practical joke but with the latest news who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 hello, a lot of Chinese companies are set up as Prison Provincial Administration Bureaus, under a genuine Company name Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Prawn Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 18 hours ago, grrclark said: I'd far rather that Tesco sourced their Christmas cards from the UK. That is all. I agree, people saying it’s because it’s cheaper to get them made abroad - yes if you’re not paying your labour force! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 On 23/12/2019 at 09:38, panoma1 said: Maybe we should do it here in the UK? 🤔 We do. From the Govt website........ Working in prison Many prisoners get the chance to work while carrying out their sentence, eg making clothes and furniture or electrical engineering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoma1 Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 16 minutes ago, CharlieT said: We do. From the Govt website........ Working in prison Many prisoners get the chance to work while carrying out their sentence, eg making clothes and furniture or electrical engineering. I was suggesting convicted criminals should be compelled to (not given the chance to!) work, not for pay but to offset the cost to the taxpayer of food, upkeep and other facilities and services they receive in prison!.....after all, taxpayers are compelled to contribute to the state, via taxation, out of their work income!........ And still have to pay for theirs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 On 23/12/2019 at 07:48, del.gue said: I suppose things like this can be genuine and it seems it has happened before... but....I read this incident on bbc and sky websites yesterday. The young girl who found the card, her father just happens to be some sort of legal adviser on human rights and exploitation. He is quite high powered and advised the government in the past. When i came to re read the items last night the reference to his job has been removed by sky and the bbc. Why? What are the chances of a young girl with a human rights dad finding this card? Maybe its just me being a suspicious type...but something is a bit whiffy about this. JMO.... I don't recognise this. It could be that the article on Sky and the BBC had got the wrong end of the stick? The message in the card asked for it to be passed on to a human rights activist Peter Humphrys who had been imprisoned in the same camp. Thre girl and her father look to be just randoms. 13 minutes ago, panoma1 said: I was suggesting convicted criminals should be compelled to (not given the chance to!) work, not for pay but to offset the cost to the taxpayer of food, upkeep and other facilities and services they receive in prison!.....after all, taxpayers are compelled to contribute to the state, via taxation, out of their work income!........ And still have to pay for theirs! Good idea we can cut the wages of everyone else then as we can create a legal black market economy to undercut what should be competing industry. I would rather prisoners be incentivised into education and rewarded coming out with trades and skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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