Unhappy member seeking an alternative to BASC

[Scully]

42 minutes ago, Farmboy91 said:

I don't think it hurts to ever have another option, + a fresh perspective on things can't be bad either? 

No harm in being optimistic 😊👍 

 

👍 I’m all for being optimistic, but the OP was looking for one which was more effective than the ones we currently have. There won’t be one, whether we have five or fifty five. 

[Anglo]

I set the bar low by limiting the scope of what I want: 'Good insurance, good advice and a little help with certificates should the worst happen'

I'm not looking for an org' that will share all my views/interests and lobby for them.

I'm looking for one that won't ask for lots of money, then use than money to actively lobby against my interests.

So far the suggestions have been:

CPSA - £51

Neutral - Not part of the lead ban folly, but not against it either

Cons - May become disinterested when a game/pigeon shooter falls into difficulty with the police.

Scottish Association for Country Sports (SACS) - £43

Pros - sounds helpful on firearms licensing matters, see: https://www.sacs.org.uk/membership/firearms-licensing

Cons - Part of the lead bad folly

Scottish Gamekeepers Association - £40

Pros - Against the lead ban folly, see https://news.scottishgamekeepers.co.uk/2020/02/the-sga-and-lead-shot.html

Cons - Seems to be a smaller and more niche organisation. If the worst happened, how much assistance on licencing could one really expect?

Country Cover Club - £32

Pros - Insurance only, no lead ban folly or other lobbying to worry about.

'Free Consultation with Specialist Shotgun, Firearms, Explosives and Licence Revocation Solicitor'.

'24-Hour Revocation of Licence and Legal Advice Helpline'

Cons -  ?

 

for Reference, BASC membership is £82

Edited April 16, 2020 by Anglo
added country cover club and BASC reference

[enfieldspares]

SACS I am with until December 2020. But after that it is the CPSA where I'll be going.

Why? SACS were part of the lead ban folly...then after shooters started to "kick off" claimed  that they had been "not been fully informed".

Well in my book if you fail to do due diligence then you've none but yourself to blame for the consequences you've brought upon yourself!

Just as in the story of Henny Penny, Cockey Lockey, Goosey Loosey and all that followed after Chicken Licken?

Did NOT ONE of those organisations that now say they were misled by BASC seek to pick up the telephone? How difficult would that be?

To one, some, any, all of the cartridge loaders in the UK and ask before they signed off on BASC's announcement? Asking "Is this true?"

Or do (that now claim being misled) usually get onto the bus without asking to be informed by the driver where it's going to take them?

Edited April 16, 2020 by enfieldspares

[Anglo]

2 minutes ago, enfieldspares said:

SACS I am with until December 2020. But after that it is the CPSA where I'll be going.

Why? SACS were part of the lead ban folly...then sought to say that they had been "misled".

Well in my book if you fail to do due diligence then you've none but yourself to blame.

Did NOT ONE of those organisations that now say they were misled by BASC seek to pick up the telephone?

To one, some, any, all of the cartridge loaders in the UK and ask before they signed off on BASC's announcement? 

All good points. The secrecy of it all is the worst part.

 

[Mr. Merkel]

16 hours ago, Walker570 said:

Been a member since WAGBI and they have served me well.  They also have an excellent President in Lord Deer, he will not stand any messing about.  My ex Boss.

Your right Lord Dear is a good guy he was also my boss for a short while,

[holloway]

17 hours ago, Anglo said:

I don't expect perfection, just not so many own goals. Like i said good insurance, good advice and a little help on certificates should the worst happen. I can do without the politics for now.

Sorry didnt mean to quote politics about basc,just worth checking the excess on other groups insurance in the small print sometimes its cheaper for a reason .

[Anglo]

1 minute ago, holloway said:

Sorry didnt mean to quote politics about basc,just worth checking the excess on other groups insurance in the small print sometimes its cheaper for a reason .

Understandable, no need to apologise. I couldn't ask simply question without expecting being questioned in turn. I couldn't expect to state my reasons without others wishing to state theirs.

I will check the excess at some point. For insurance alone, I doubt the BASC offers good value at £82.

6 hours ago, mick miller said:

Just get the insurance from the country cover club, same insurance without the bull and marketing and you'll be sure that they won't suggest any further encroachment on your freedoms as some form of appeasement. They'll also fight any knee jerk legislation just as successfully. 

It won't cover you for humane dispatch by the roadside, but that's a bit specialist and isn't covered by the insurance offered by basc anyway. 

best answer so far, I sense we are aligned on this matter.

[wigeon jim]

I wish we could get only one big organisation with enough clout to fight for us no mater what you shoot, also like to see being a member compulsory as part of gun ownership, we need more power!   Jim.

[Westley]

Although a Life member of BASC, I too sometimes wish they were a bit more robust with issues like Doctors letters and some Police Forces constantly moving the goal posts. I am still not convinced over the lead issue either. My domestic water is still supplied through lead pipes, my BASC magazine tells me of THREE wild geese being found in poor health having ingested lead shot. It did not seem to affect the remaining 30,000 that visited the same area  ?  I know of 2 people, now both in their eighties, who had been shot many years ago. Both are still carrying lead shot in their bodies with no ill effects. It does seem that we are using the lead shot debate, to better the use of shot game and it's sale. Simple answer, IF you can not consume what you shoot, then do NOT damn well shoot it  ! 

[fizzbangwhallop]

There was a similar thread over on the Stalking Directory a few weeks ago and on the strength of that I joined the Scottish Gamekeepers Association..... and I’m bloody glad I did!
 

What a breath of fresh air the magazine is.... well written, no nonsense, solid science articles. 
 

I haven’t been in BASC for years now having gone to the NGO instead....so that’s me in the NGO, the BDS, Songbird Survival (another science based organisation) and now the SGA.

 

cheers

fizz

[stuartyboy]

31 minutes ago, fizzbangwhallop said:

Songbird Survival (another science based organisation) and now the SGA.

Plus 1 for Songbird Survival.

Very good organisation. Anyone with an interest or care for the environment and in particular, birds, should join.

[Scully]

1 hour ago, stuartyboy said:

Plus 1 for Songbird Survival.

Very good organisation. Anyone with an interest or care for the environment and in particular, birds, should join.

I’m a member also, but they don’t offer shooting insurance! 

[fizzbangwhallop]

2 hours ago, Scully said:

I’m a member also, but they don’t offer shooting insurance! 

I joined as I was totally hacked off with the General Licence fiasco last year. 

That and the rspb et al attitude that raptors rule and their blinkered attitude that the small birds were just cannon fodder. Grrrrr. 
 

I’ve always been for the underdog. 
 

Don’t start me on corvids ..... (****.....auto-incorrect just changed that to corgis! )
Some of these people have never seen what they can do to birthing sheep and lambs....

 

cheers

fizz

 

[stuartyboy]

4 hours ago, Scully said:

I’m a member also, but they don’t offer shooting insurance! 

Would be good if they did. Though all the other organisations would go bankrupt 😉

[8 shot]

I sort of hope recent times with the doctor notes and the lead phasing out announcement the BASC get the shake up they deserve, and actually listen to its members. Because if not they might not survive and I’m not sure lots of little orgs are can carry much weight in important issues. 

[figgy]

The government and those in power don't listen to them. They're all toothless and have sold their members down the river. 

They have became political, make lots of noise and nothing we want happens.

CPSA are no different. 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

6 minutes ago, figgy said:

The government and those in power don't listen to them. They're all toothless and have sold their members down the river. 

They have became political, make lots of noise and nothing we want happens.

CPSA are no different. 

What a shame we can't get affiliate membership of the NRA!

[sitsinhedges]

On 16/04/2020 at 18:58, wigeon jim said:

I wish we could get only one big organisation with enough clout to fight for us no mater what you shoot, also like to see being a member compulsory as part of gun ownership, we need more power!   Jim.

That would be dearer than the licence and doctors fee combined, and you'd still get nowhere. 

[McSpredder]

37 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

What a shame we can't get affiliate membership of the NRA!

Presumably you are referring to the American organisation?   I am not sure that the UK NRA would be of much help to the average PW member.

[clangerman]

1 hour ago, figgy said:

The government and those in power don't listen to them. They're all toothless and have sold their members down the river. 

They have became political, make lots of noise and nothing we want happens.

CPSA are no different. 

absolutely bang on nailed it to a tee NO teeth equals NO power hence the organisations are ignored when it suits 

[andrewluke]

On 18/04/2020 at 12:11, clangerman said:

absolutely bang on nailed it to a tee NO teeth equals NO power hence the organisations are ignored when it suits 

didn't the CPSA try to change the name to Clay Target Shooting Association because they did not want to be associated with shooting game??

[The Heron]

As above most of the main organisations folded on the lead shot issue but I don't think there was much choice but away from that I have been a member of the NGO for a long time and always found them helpful if you just want cheap insurance this can be found around £20.

[panoma1]

On 19/04/2020 at 21:14, andrewluke said:

didn't the CPSA try to change the name to Clay Target Shooting Association because they did not want to be associated with shooting game??

I believe you are correct! They apparently, wished to disassociate clay shooting from live quarry shooting!........so given their past position, as the proposed lead phaseout does not (if I’m correct?) affect clay shooting (yet!) why would they be bothered?

[TRINITY]

On 17/04/2020 at 18:40, fizzbangwhallop said:

That and the rspb et al attitude that raptors rule and their blinkered attitude that the small birds were just cannon fodder. Grrrrr. 
 

I’ve always been for the underdog. 

 

 

 

 

 

I like the sound of those people. I am also hacked off by the obsession with Raptors and other avian predators. No one seems to care about the small guys. When you can walk out and raptors seem two a penny and something like a yellow hammer is extremely rare,something is going wrong.

[TRINITY]

Just joined song bird survival 😊