Demonstrations in london

[Raja Clavata]

Just now, Mice! said:

I didn't miss it, I just chose to ignore it,  I personally couldn't care less what colour or religion people are, just don't preach at me or expect me to worry why something affects one group more than others, apparently. 

It could be the way we live, eat or just our DNA, I'm simply sick of it being made to look like a section of the population are under more threat,  yet many were happy to go and have a riot in London??

And its nothing to do with common sense,  as things stand at the moment you can't go round to someone's house and go in for tea.

Maybe we should all make a stand against identity politics and eradicate that.

I think it has lots to do with common sense, I'm not sure about Lancashire but down here in Essex people have their garden's attached to their houses. Whilst going indoors and all sitting in, say, a 12' x 12' sitting room with the doors and windows closed could probably be classed as stupid, there are all manner of possibilities between that and sitting outside in a garden distanced by at least 2m.

[Jaymo]

Personally, I don’t think the Officer(s) involved, set out that day with the intention to kill anyone- was the incorrect technique used? Most likely.

But...... how many times have you seen one of the ‘Police’ type programs where the arresting Officers are being shouted at by the offender stating “ your breaking my arms” “ your killing me” “ can’t breathe” etc.
In some cases this is a ‘verbal’ type protest of innocence or an overstatement of the current condition and an attempt to either be more comfortable, or in some case, to enact an escape.

Protest all you like, but why bring criminal acts and violence into? Black or white, it harms your case and enforces the Very image that your trying to overcome! 
 

Apologies if I have it wrong. 

[old'un]

24 minutes ago, WalkedUp said:

One reason for greater deaths from BAME backgrounds is due to poverty. There is unfortunately a strong correlation between poverty, being non-white and CV-19 deaths. Doesn’t explain them all, especially amongst BAME doctors (I read somewhere that almost 50% of NHS doctors are BAME - will find a link) but poverty is a current hypothesis of the increased death rate. I would suggest that is tangentially linked to BLM, but I would much rather demonstrate with my BAME friends to protest against poverty than celebrate George Floyd. 

Yes, funnily enough we don’t even think about it as I guess we slowly are becoming blind to race. Which is great. 

Can you define poverty in the UK?

[London Best]

8 minutes ago, old'un said:

Can you define poverty in the UK?

Not being able to afford a Purdey?

[Newbie to this]

32 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

Maybe we should all make a stand against identity politics and eradicate that.

We need to stop agreeing. 

But this is something everyone should get behind. No special rights/treatment for anyone. In the eyes of the law everyone should be equal.

[JohnfromUK]

24 minutes ago, old'un said:

Can you define poverty in the UK?

That is a very difficult (nigh impossible) thing to define.

A personal view is that if people can afford 'luxury and discretional spend items' (i.e. non essentials) - then they are NOT in poverty.

What I mean by 'luxury and discretional spend items' are things that are nice to have - but not essential to healthy and normal lifespan living.  Examples would include smoking, significant alcohol consumption, eating out, holidays, subscription entertainment services, gambling etc.

The difficulty is that in some inner city areas it is difficult to have a healthy lifestyle - except by spending (or so I'm led to believe) on transport, leisure facilities etc.

Here in the country I know people who live on very little money, but have a very healthy, happy and fulfilled life ........ because things they enjoy such as gardening, country walks, local socialising 'over the garden gate' are the way of life people enjoy.  I'm a bit like that myself.

Edited June 8, 2020 by JohnfromUK

[Mice!]

28 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

Maybe we should all make a stand against identity politics and eradicate that.

I think it has lots to do with common sense, I'm not sure about Lancashire but down here in Essex people have their garden's attached to their houses. Whilst going indoors and all sitting in, say, a 12' x 12' sitting room with the doors and windows closed could probably be classed as stupid, there are all manner of possibilities between that and sitting outside in a garden distanced by at least 2m.

1st point absolutely,  I'm a Judoka and rugby player,  people in a Gi or shirt are just that, people, the best throw I've ever been on the end of was from one of the team GB lads at a grading, as it happens he was a Big coloured lad, I thought right grip him get him moving,  I have never been thrown so hard or technically perfect,  I bounced off the mat and the entire room applauded while I tried to stand up, I remember it because of the throw.

Unless something has changed you can't have people in your house,  my garden is big enough for a 40mtr range, I could get more at a squeeze, having people in the garden isn't an issue, or we could all travel to a riot at the weekend,  sorry I meant protest! That's what I'm getting at.

[Raja Clavata]

1 minute ago, Mice! said:

1st point absolutely,  I'm a Judoka and rugby player,  people in a Gi or shirt are just that, people, the best throw I've ever been on the end of was from one of the team GB lads at a grading, as it happens he was a Big coloured lad, I thought right grip him get him moving,  I have never been thrown so hard or technically perfect,  I bounced off the mat and the entire room applauded while I tried to stand up, I remember it because of the throw.

Unless something has changed you can't have people in your house,  my garden is big enough for a 40mtr range, I could get more at a squeeze, having people in the garden isn't an issue, or we could all travel to a riot at the weekend,  sorry I meant protest! That's what I'm getting at.

Interesting. BJJ is more my thing although I only flirt with it (and I'm too old). One of my closest mates is current British and former Euro Amateur Champ - the smallest guy in our group from school. When my son was alleviated of his phone by a group of kids in town my mate offered to take him under his wing and mentor him, he was giving it a go but the current situation has obviously put pay to that for now. We've been to a few cage warrior events at the O2, some proper dubious characters in the crowd but every single fighter I know and have met is always very polite and decent. One of the lads who does Cage Warriors is also a member of the MMA Clinic in Romford, he is so softly spoken that he comes across almost effeminate, having spoken to him at length recently he cited that he got involved in BJJ and boxing as he used to be scared to go out and would run to and from school in fear, a lovely young man and an absolute beast in the cage. One of the young ladies knows how to bang too. Anyway, we digress, except that they are both black.

[Vince Green]

From watching the news this morning most of the protestors involved in the trouble in both London and Bristol appeared to be white and in their 20s

[B686]

All these idiots are doing by these demonstrations is fuelling the fire for racism. Also possibly aiding the spread of covid 19 a virus that kills more black people than white ! Goes to show what a bunch of xxxxxxx fools they are. It’s ok when all these blacks are killing each other and killing white people , but if a white person kills a black all hell breaks loose. The police will soon be afraid to arrest a black because all they do is play the race card. Most protesters seem white. ***!

[clangerman]

Just now, Vince Green said:

From watching the news this morning most of the protestors involved in the trouble in both London and Bristol appeared to be white and in their 20s

just noticed that myself the idiots putting ropes on colston are mostly white those pulling are mostly white how disappointing for racists our mayor supports its removal the council are well pleased behind the scenes 

[NoBodyImportant]

I just don’t understand how political agendas pick a martyr.  I mean Floyd’s rap sheet is long.  He was high out of his mind and trying to flee in a vehicle when the police stopped him. Can you imagine what his victims are going through right now?  A few years back he held a gun to a pregnant woman’s belly while his friends raped her and looted her house.  And now she has to see all the memorials every day. Then the police officers are made out to be racist. Never mind three of them are minority and the white guy out of the bunch has a brown wife and interracial children.  Plus you don’t here about the fact the white officer was a coworker of Floyd’s.  They worked together as bouncer at the same club.  Bottom line is Floyd got high, then tried to pass fake money, then refused to leave the store, became combative to the store owner, then he  fought the police.  He made his own mistakes.  There are way better examples to make a movement out of. 

[Fuddster]

4 minutes ago, NoBodyImportant said:

I just don’t understand how political agendas pick a martyr.  I mean Floyd’s rap sheet is long.  He was high out of his mind and trying to flee in a vehicle when the police stopped him. Can you imagine what his victims are going through right now?  A few years back he held a gun to a pregnant woman’s belly while his friends raped her and looted her house.  And now she has to see all the memorials every day. Then the police officers are made out to be racist. Never mind three of them are minority and the white guy out of the bunch has a brown wife and interracial children.  Plus you don’t here about the fact the white officer was a coworker of Floyd’s.  They worked together as bouncer at the same club.  Bottom line is Floyd got high, then tried to pass fake money, then refused to leave the store, became combative to the store owner, then he  fought the police.  He made his own mistakes.  There are way better examples to make a movement out of. 

All truths that have been filtered by the media-

and 2 of the cops had less than 1 weeks police service.

and The 'racist' arresting officer was married to a Vietnamese born lady.

and Fentanyl and met-amphet found in his system.

and UK Police have had training on 'positional asphyxia' and 'excited delirium' for the last 20 years following some deaths in custody-leading to improved awareness of  the dangers-something which I presume the US is behind in.

I have some sympathy for GF as a human and I have some sympathy for the officers involved-but I have zero sympathy for either US rioters sparking up trouble or the copy cats in the UK having a day out to cause trouble.

f.

 

 

 

[Mice!]

14 minutes ago, NoBodyImportant said:

I just don’t understand how political agendas pick a martyr.  I mean Floyd’s rap sheet is long.  He was high out of his mind and trying to flee in a vehicle when the police stopped him. Can you imagine what his victims are going through right now?  A few years back he held a gun to a pregnant woman’s belly while his friends raped her and looted her house.  And now she has to see all the memorials every day. Then the police officers are made out to be racist. Never mind three of them are minority and the white guy out of the bunch has a brown wife and interracial children.  Plus you don’t here about the fact the white officer was a coworker of Floyd’s.  They worked together as bouncer at the same club.  Bottom line is Floyd got high, then tried to pass fake money, then refused to leave the store, became combative to the store owner, then he  fought the police.  He made his own mistakes.  There are way better examples to make a movement out of. 

Crazy isn't it,  it makes zero sense. 

[Mice!]

50 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

Interesting. BJJ is more my thing although I only flirt with it (and I'm too old). One of my closest mates is current British and former Euro Amateur Champ - the smallest guy in our group from school. When my son was alleviated of his phone by a group of kids in town my mate offered to take him under his wing and mentor him, he was giving it a go but the current situation has obviously put pay to that for now. We've been to a few cage warrior events at the O2, some proper dubious characters in the crowd but every single fighter I know and have met is always very polite and decent. One of the lads who does Cage Warriors is also a member of the MMA Clinic in Romford, he is so softly spoken that he comes across almost effeminate, having spoken to him at length recently he cited that he got involved in BJJ and boxing as he used to be scared to go out and would run to and from school in fear, a lovely young man and an absolute beast in the cage. One of the young ladies knows how to bang too. Anyway, we digress, except that they are both black.

I used to enjoy Bjj a lot, the two sports compliment each other massively,  I got to blue belt in bjj, it used to be great fun wrapping gym bunnies in knots who had been watching mma and watching them gasping for air because all they had done was lift weights.

Have you ever trained with a Brazilian? Absolute Gentleman but they are ruthless,  it's an experience not to be missed.

I've also trained lads for mma, as you say some absolute gents but some utter tools as well, but all just people.

[henry d]

32 minutes ago, NoBodyImportant said:

I just don’t understand how political agendas pick a martyr.

How about picking one of these instead; Justin Howell, Sean Monterrosa, Jamel Floyd, Jamar Clark, Philando Castile, Trayvon Martin, Tamir Rice, Michael Brown, Eric Garner, Philando Castile, Breonna Taylor or even Ahmaud Arbery?

Edited June 8, 2020 by henry d

[Yellow Bear]

1 hour ago, Newbie to this said:

But this is something everyone should get behind. No special rights/treatment for anyone. In the eyes of the law everyone should be equal.

This is it exactly and in the eyes of the Law they are equal, however many of the "equal rights" "activists do not seem to want equal, they want positive discrimination in favour of the minority.  That is not equal rights it is the tail wagging the dog, for want of a better expression. 

[Vince Green]

George Washington owned slaves all his life, I can't see them taking down his statues in America any time soon.

Several other US Presidents owned slaves too

[Raja Clavata]

44 minutes ago, Mice! said:

I used to enjoy Bjj a lot, the two sports compliment each other massively,  I got to blue belt in bjj, it used to be great fun wrapping gym bunnies in knots who had been watching mma and watching them gasping for air because all they had done was lift weights.

Have you ever trained with a Brazilian? Absolute Gentleman but they are ruthless,  it's an experience not to be missed.

I've also trained lads for mma, as you say some absolute gents but some utter tools as well, but all just people.

Nope, I'm a beginner. From what I understand the tools normally get levelled in the first couple of sessions or disappear very quickly.

Just now, Vince Green said:

George Washington owned slaves all his life, I can't see them taking down his statues in America any time soon.

Several other US Presidents owned slaves too

I'd like to think we could do better than the US?

[JohnfromUK]

28 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

I can't see them taking down his statues in America any time soon.

Maybe not taking them down, but defacing them - yes https://www.gwhatchet.com/2015/04/12/university-yard-statue-of-george-washington-vandalized/

[Gordon R]

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and be judged on here? we already convicted george with no trial despite being DEAD hyped TWELVE arrests out of THOUSANDS on the streets today into a massive NON riot call me slightly picky but i will pass lol 

At the risk of pointing out the obvious, George "convicted" himself. You are happy to "convict" the Police officer without a trial. No double standards there then.

Despite your previous boasting about your conduct, you refuse to elaborate. Why am I not surprised.

[clangerman]

9 minutes ago, Gordon R said:

At the risk of pointing out the obvious, George "convicted" himself. You are happy to "convict" the Police officer without a trial. No double standards there then.

Despite your previous boasting about your conduct, you refuse to elaborate. Why am I not surprised.

when it’s all on film the officer convicted his self I made no boast of my past employment i was merely honest 

[Lord v]

I sincerely hope there are some on here who never buy a British made product. 

After all, the industrial revolution and imperialist expansion happened on the backs of slaves and child labour. Even those who were neither had terrible working conditions and discrimination. 

Or is that too reductionist? 

[clangerman]

2 minutes ago, Lord v said:

I sincerely hope there are some on here who never buy a British made product. 

After all, the industrial revolution and imperialist expansion happened on the backs of slaves and child labour. Even those who were neither had terrible working conditions and discrimination. 

Or is that too reductionist? 

still happening today countless countries have sweat shops full of child labour making products for the west which makes us all slave owners at the end of the day 

[Guest cookoff013]

On 31/05/2020 at 17:28, clangerman said:

a fat cretin KNEELS on a mans neck for NINE mins as he BEGS for air KILLING him and the anger is the media’s fault? maybe people try watching him DIE and see how angry they feel 

i couldnt agree more. its not a pretty sight. i just wish children couldnt see this, but its everywhere.