TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 26, 2021 Report Share Posted November 26, 2021 So much for President Emmanuel Macron vowing that France would not allow the Channel to become a "cemetery" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted November 26, 2021 Report Share Posted November 26, 2021 9 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/longterminternationalmigrationprovisional/yearendingdecember2020 Migration to the UK has in fact fallen considerably ........ but not that by channel crossings in illegal boats, where it has increased. It HAS to be stopped by preventing people boarding and setting off in boats. You cannot 'turn back' unsafe boats. like the gov tells the truth if you have the minerals you can do whatever you please these people are trying to enter the country illegally if criminals refuse to listen you make them do so if it takes razor wire or firearms you deploy them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted November 26, 2021 Report Share Posted November 26, 2021 1 minute ago, clangerman said: if criminals refuse to listen you make them do so if it takes razor wire or firearms you deploy them They are not criminals until convicted - and you cannot just 'deploy firearms' against people claiming refugee status. Do you really want all our beaches covered in razor wire - and firearms teams out shooting at refugees? This HAS to be tackled at source - that is at the French end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted November 26, 2021 Report Share Posted November 26, 2021 Farage is the only leader with the will to sort this mess out. I reckon it'd only take a month with him as leader and this problem would be gone overnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted November 26, 2021 Report Share Posted November 26, 2021 a few (fake) ones of these may solve the problem for a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted November 26, 2021 Report Share Posted November 26, 2021 The only real solution, is for any illegal immigrant to be returned to the last country they came from. Not "processed" for months/years, but the very next day after landing. I don't see preventing them leaving France ever being viable. How can the French legally prevent them launching a boat from the shore ? The English authorities couldn't prevent me launching a boat from the English shore, nor would they have the right to ask where I am going. The only people who could prevent me landing in France, is the French. Sending them straight back is the only solution and that requires some negotiation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted November 26, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, Cranfield said: The only real solution, is for any illegal immigrant to be returned to the last country they came from. Not "processed" for months/years, but the very next day after landing. I don't see preventing them leaving France ever being viable. How can the French legally prevent them launching a boat from the shore ? The English authorities couldn't prevent me launching a boat from the English shore, nor would they have the right to ask where I am going. The only people who could prevent me landing in France, is the French. Sending them straight back is the only solution and that requires some negotiation. if the police have "reasonable suspition that you may be about to commit a crime",,,,,,,,,,,,,,, the french dont do negociating the crime in question would be entering a country illigally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted November 26, 2021 Report Share Posted November 26, 2021 The French will never willingly take any back, the only solution to this is the navy put them all on a ship and dump them on a French shore, whether they want them or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 26, 2021 Report Share Posted November 26, 2021 The only way they will stop coming to the UK is if they are stopped from entering France in the first place. Once there the French have absolutely no interest nor anything to gain from preventing them from passing through to get to the UK. It’s a lot further in a dinghy from Belgium or the Netherlands. Nothing will be done regarding this latest tragedy. If seeing a dead toddler bobbing up and down face down in the surf doesn’t cause a resolve then nothing will, and there’s been a truckload of dead Asians since then. An empty dinghy surrounded by corpses isn’t going to cut it; much easier to just arrest a few traffickers and prosecute them. That way the politicians can placate the general public by claiming ‘something has been done’, until the next time of course. If people REALLY cared then our respective parliaments would be surrounded by outraged citizens, but instead the French will blockade UK vehicles over fishing rights and the English will block their own roads to protest about insulation. Me? I’m off to the pub. 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted November 26, 2021 Report Share Posted November 26, 2021 Sadly, for me now I have started to consider why our so called government continue to allow this influx to continue unchallenged? Apart from a few squeaks to pacify some supporters? I don't like the thought that is starting to form being currently unable to find a more rational reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted November 26, 2021 Report Share Posted November 26, 2021 4 hours ago, 12gauge82 said: The French will never willingly take any back, the only solution to this is the navy put them all on a ship and dump them on a French shore, whether they want them or not. This ^^^ Australia did it and it stopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted November 26, 2021 Report Share Posted November 26, 2021 10 hours ago, JohnfromUK said: This HAS to be tackled at source - that is at the French end Never going to happen. Is the sad truth on that statement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted November 26, 2021 Report Share Posted November 26, 2021 I really can't understand what's so complicated about this. The French aren't going to help us to keep migrants they don't want over there. The only viable solution is like I said earlier, dump them straight back and the problem would stop within a week (via that route anyway). The french are hardly going to go to war with us over it as we are simply returning migrants from where they came, there'd be a bit of tutting from the international community and that'd be it and let's be honest, our relationship with France and the EU couldn't get any worse anyway, so what's to loose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catweazle Posted November 26, 2021 Report Share Posted November 26, 2021 15 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: I really can't understand what's so complicated about this. The French aren't going to help us to keep migrants they don't want over there. The only viable solution is like I said earlier, dump them straight back and the problem would stop within a week (via that route anyway). Not only would it stop the local problem of people drowning in the channel, word would quickly get back to source and stop the flow into France too. UK and France have very different ideas on how to prevent tragedies in the channel, UK wants to return migrants to France, France wants us to let them use the tunnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted November 26, 2021 Report Share Posted November 26, 2021 16 minutes ago, Catweazle said: Not only would it stop the local problem of people drowning in the channel, word would quickly get back to source and stop the flow into France too. UK and France have very different ideas on how to prevent tragedies in the channel, UK wants to return migrants to France, France wants us to let them use the tunnel. Exactly and I say who cares what the French think, if they won't act in a morel way, take the choice away from them, dump them straight back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted November 27, 2021 Report Share Posted November 27, 2021 I'd like to see a cruise liner anchored at the edge of our border, all those requiring escort or assistance get taken there for processing - failed 'refugees' will soon get fed up and ask to go back if they have no documents. For those members who don't know, a ship at anchor is much less pleasant than if it were making way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 27, 2021 Report Share Posted November 27, 2021 Unfortunately a second hand cruise ship would be filled within a week of reasonable weather! The bloody French have to stop them getting in to France and remove the people smugglers and their damned giant inflatables. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted November 27, 2021 Report Share Posted November 27, 2021 You cant kick someone in the nuts and expect them to still be your friend and agree to abide by the rules you had before you kicked them in the nuts as for a ship landing on a beach and leaving them there what nonsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scouser Posted November 27, 2021 Report Share Posted November 27, 2021 Why not just pay the dingy makers to close shop for 6 months, and buy any that’s already made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted November 27, 2021 Report Share Posted November 27, 2021 4 hours ago, Rim Fire said: You cant kick someone in the nuts and expect them to still be your friend and agree to abide by the rules you had before you kicked them in the nuts as for a ship landing on a beach and leaving them there what nonsense Can't you, the EU including France has been kicking us in the nuts and urinating down our backs, while trying to convince us its just raining for years and yet we the UK still hold our hand out in friendship. Care to explain why it wouldn't work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted November 27, 2021 Report Share Posted November 27, 2021 (edited) The blood is firmly on the hands of our utterly spineless politicos for allowing this to continue? A law change should be made if needed? There is no way we could rock up on the French coast and dump people with no papers? We would maybe need to borrow a boat and fuel for starters? I'm thinking now that it's a good job the old stalwarts who made this country what it is, are long gone seeing the shameful state we have been made to become? Edited November 27, 2021 by old man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted November 27, 2021 Report Share Posted November 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, old man said: The blood is firmly on the hands of our utterly spineless politicos for allowing this to continue? A law change should be made if needed? There is no way we could rock up on the French coast and dump people with no papers? We would maybe need to borrow a boat and fuel for starters? I'm thinking now that it's a good job the old stalwarts who made this country what it is, are long gone seeing the shameful state we have been made to become? We absolutely could rock up on a French beach and dump them off, all it would take is the will to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted November 27, 2021 Report Share Posted November 27, 2021 7 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: We absolutely could rock up on a French beach and dump them off, all it would take is the will to do it. exactly what’s needed remove gutless gump and hand the job to someone with the minerals to dump them of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted November 27, 2021 Report Share Posted November 27, 2021 54 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: We absolutely could rock up on a French beach and dump them off, all it would take is the will to do it. Not being confrontational, how so? Do we send a call to their Maritime Gendarmerie,....... Oi ,we're just returning some people we don't want . We rock up to tip em out facing 5 100 ton patrol boats and 50 Maritime officers all armed to the teeth? Ours possibly only have a flare gun but no flares? I don't think so as our lot are still in the HOP bar hoping for home time to arrive quickly? This they deem a huge success? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted November 27, 2021 Report Share Posted November 27, 2021 On a radio 4 news report a home office minister stated that 5 people had been deported this yeafafter entering illegaly not bad out of 25k.they also gave the percentage figures of where all these boat people came from.mainly syria and iran so why not put them on planes and take thdm straight back.i believe word would soon get around and they would think twice before getting into a dingy after handing over their cash only to be sent straight back home.might just take the shine off the uk for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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