JohnfromUK Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 A dreadful accident, detailed here https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10379145/Italian-junior-shooting-champion-19-dies-accidentally-shooting-stomach.html but I cannot comprehend how this can have happened? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 how did he come to do that, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 I cant really think how that could happen ?🤔. Unless he slipped and fell somehow firing the gun andits muzzle turned 180 degree back towards him . Shame though and reinforces how we must all be careful when guns are loaded . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 Shocking! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 Might help as we can't understand it if we think of a reason why such a thing is unheard of here and what do the Europeans do that we don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 18 minutes ago, wymberley said: Might help as we can't understand it if we think of a reason why such a thing is unheard of here and what do the Europeans do that we don't. Use slings on their shotguns is the only one that springs to mind. 🤷‍♂️ Slung gun slips off shoulder and around as he bends down, stock smacks on ground? Awfully tragic accident however it occurred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 Always thought it virtually impossible to fire a modern Shotgun without actually pulling the trigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 Just now, bruno22rf said: Always thought it virtually impossible to fire a modern Shotgun without actually pulling the trigger. Hit it hard enough and it will fire! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30-6 Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 I can remember quite a while ago so not modern gun, but an old farm gun, put cartridges in closed shut and off it went. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.T Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 Tragic loss to the clay shooting community a very talented young man, condolences to his family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 14 minutes ago, Scully said: Use slings on their shotguns is the only one that springs to mind. 🤷‍♂️ Slung gun slips off shoulder and around as he bends down, stock smacks on ground? Awfully tragic accident however it occurred. Some millstone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 Also a point to note is that for driven boar etc that they use 18.5” barrel slug guns- one of these on a sling, slung upside down could have these lethal consequences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weihrauch17 Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 It said he shot himself whilst picking up empty cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MirokuMK70 Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 Perhaps leant a loaded gun against a tree, then it fell over and went off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 1 hour ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Hit it hard enough and it will fire! Exactly , depends how light the trigger is set , years ago my mate let me have a go with his gun , he did not tell me how light it was set , hell hardly touch the trigger and it went of . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 20 minutes ago, johnphilip said: Exactly , depends how light the trigger is set , years ago my mate let me have a go with his gun , he did not tell me how light it was set , hell hardly touch the trigger and it went of . A weapon can fire without the trigger moving! 33 minutes ago, MirokuMK70 said: Perhaps leant a loaded gun against a tree, then it fell over and went off? Did you read the article? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strimmer_13 Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 Only way I can see is what jaymo says, short barrel, with too long a sling, bends down, catches on a sapling and it catches the trigger standing up. To shoot yourself in the guts sounds quite avoidable.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 2 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Hit it hard enough and it will fire! A chap I know was Rabbit shooting in a wood , he met up with his mate and while having a yarn he held his side by side in the crook of his arm with the mussel pointing skywards , for some reason unbeknown to us he loosened his grip and the gun slid through his arm , the stock hit the floor hard and discharged the gun , this resulted in removing most of his mussel in his forearm, he was rushed to the NNH and they done a brilliant job in saving his arm minus the mussel , this was only a fraction away from hitting him under the chin and certain death , now he still shoot but have to keep his arm well wrapped up when the weather turn cold . one very lucky , or unlucky man depending on how you look at it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 I thought modern guns had interrupting safety seats so they couldn’t be accidentally discharged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted January 7, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, figgy said: I thought modern guns had interrupting safety seats so they couldn’t be accidentally discharged. No, not really. Most sidelocks have intercepting safety sears, but not all. Most boxlocks don't have them, but a few (mostly high grade older English) do. One of the very few accidents I know of to someone I know happened on a (best quality English) sidelock with intercepting safety that slipped through his loader's hands - and went off when it hit the ground. The loader was injured in one hand and he had a very near miss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MirokuMK70 Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 2 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Â Did you read the article? What's your point? It says he shot himself it doesn't say how... I read that as shot with his own gun and what I raised is within the realm of possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudger687 Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 I suspect that this happened via: He wants to bend down to pick up some empties He's a bit tired from walking, so he puts the butt of the gun into the ground and leans on the barrel(s) as he bends down. If it's a double, breaking the gun wouldn't allow him to lean on it, so he leaves it unbroken and, unfortunately, loaded. He's placed the butt of the gun close to the empties; as he leans on the gun and reaches down with his hand outstretched, a finger or thumb catches the trigger and the gun fires.    Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strimmer_13 Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 45 minutes ago, Smudger687 said: I suspect that this happened via: He wants to bend down to pick up some empties He's a bit tired from walking, so he puts the butt of the gun into the ground and leans on the barrel(s) as he bends down. If it's a double, breaking the gun wouldn't allow him to lean on it, so he leaves it unbroken and, unfortunately, loaded. He's placed the butt of the gun close to the empties; as he leans on the gun and reaches down with his hand outstretched, a finger or thumb catches the trigger and the gun fires.    If thats what he done its a Darwin award Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munzy Posted January 8, 2022 Report Share Posted January 8, 2022 The bit I can’t get my head around is why, with the gun loaded, you would bend down to collect empties. Everything in my head says you would leave that until your gun was safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjaferret Posted January 8, 2022 Report Share Posted January 8, 2022 This lad would have had safety drilled into him from a very early age and every moment after. God knows what actually happened and we probably never will. But the lesson here is, however safe you think you are , it only takes a moment... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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