Mick Lynch - a different aspect?

[Dave-G]

Most know I'm still more or less a Tory boy. I've always tried to see both side of any dispute, well this video has me seeing a wider screen picture of him.

https://www.facebook.com/DoubleDownNews/videos/943365526640608

 

[sam triple]

From what I’ve seen of him he’s just the old guard left of left union leader that I thought had gone out with Scargill , he caused The BBC of being right wing 🤔😂😂😂, said it was ok for the Albanians to invade us , and basically called Farage and The Daily Mail , Nazis ,

[manthing]

 

Wealth is created by the workers???

If it wasn't for the ideas people what would the workers do for work?

The ideas people are the ones that stand the cost until an idea starts making money and they can afford to go further into debt to get the workers to do the work to make the idea work on a bigger scale to service the debt.

The vid shows RB. This is the fella the literally started from scratch and has had the ideas that have made him rich, why shouldn't he keep the money? Without his brains how many thousands of people would have been worse off/ no job?

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Always makes me wonder why this type of "difficult" individual didn't just go in to politics to cause grief for millions?

[12gauge82]

I know nothing of Mick Lynch, but on the wider subject of wealth and it's creation, there is a balancing point between rewarded for entrepreneurism that creates jobs and fair pay for a workers time and expertises. My view is certainly in the UK, that balance is completely out of balance in some sectors, with workers barely able to afford the basic necessities of life while extraordinarily rich bosses, avoid any sensible form of taxation (which takes from all of us) and pile the countrys wealth off shore, hidden in shell companies. Some of these huge cooperations, with hidden individuals so rich, they are able to invest in virtually everything around us and lobby government from afar, silently pulling the strings of our society and ensure their position of power, wealth and influence is maintained, all at the expense of the rest of society. 

Something certainly needs to change, but we won't get it from a party like Labour. 

[Jaymo]

22 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Always makes me wonder why this type of "difficult" individual didn't just go in to politics to cause grief for millions?

Because it’s easier to make claims than to defend them. 
 

[Rim Fire]

I worked in the steel industry for 30 yrs if it wasn't for the likes of the unions you wouldn't have half of what you get so not all bad as for this chap i know nothing of him as i have been retired for 16 yrs i was also self employed for a number of years as bricky labourer so if you didnt work no pay unions are not all bad 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

2 hours ago, Rim Fire said:

I worked in the steel industry for 30 yrs if it wasn't for the likes of the unions you wouldn't have half of what you get so not all bad as for this chap i know nothing of him as i have been retired for 16 yrs i was also self employed for a number of years as bricky labourer so if you didnt work no pay unions are not all bad 

I too am a Union Member, but I absolute despise the pointless political shenanigans that people like Mick resort to.

My Union Membership is for their help and protection if it all goes pear shaped at work.

[Walker570]

3 hours ago, manthing said:

 

Wealth is created by the workers???

If it wasn't for the ideas people what would the workers do for work?

The ideas people are the ones that stand the cost until an idea starts making money and they can afford to go further into debt to get the workers to do the work to make the idea work on a bigger scale to service the debt.

The vid shows RB. This is the fella the literally started from scratch and has had the ideas that have made him rich, why shouldn't he keep the money? Without his brains how many thousands of people would have been worse off/ no job?

On the nail, spot on.  I have known such people and one in particular was up at 4am EVERY morning to get to the factory and rarely got home before early evening. 12 to 14hr days every day.  Yes, he had a driver but that driver would not have had his job would he without The Boss.  He treated his workers as equals but at one point a Union member worked himself into a job there and started trouble.  My friend imedialtely called the workers together and said that as of that weekend they didn't have a job as he was selling the business.  You can bet the Union idiot didn't last the day out. 

My old Grandmother used to say that envy was the biggest evil in the world.

Edited December 28, 2022 by Walker570

[Rim Fire]

6 minutes ago, Walker570 said:

My old Grandmother used to say that envy was the biggest evil in the world.

And she was right and the other is money is the root of all evil

35 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

I too am a Union Member, but I absolute despise the pointless political shenanigans that people like Mick resort to.

My Union Membership is for their help and protection if it all goes pear shaped at work.

i absolutely agree as i said i don't know much about this chap

[PeterHenry]

Re the video - I love the notion of 'union democracy' - its obviously a really great thing to have two competing sources of legitimacy in the country.....

That said - and I admit its a paradox - as much as I disagree with them, I wouldn't wish to live in a country that had banned them.

There's quite a sensible book of essay's called 'Blue Labour' - in which somone (I forget who) calls for a new settlement with the unions - in effect the unions accepting the role of 'craft unions' as opposed to the Marxist style trade unions - think the traditional Labour movement 'more methodist than socialist', etc - and in so doing, being given greater responsibility within the state. One of those things that I'm sure might work - if everyone involved could resist reverting to form....

Edited December 28, 2022 by PeterHenry

[Penelope]

1 hour ago, Rim Fire said:

And she was right and the other is money is the root of all evil

Incorrect.

 

The quote is 'the love of money is the root of all evil'.

[Mice!]

1 hour ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

I too am a Union Member, but I absolute despise the pointless political shenanigans that people like Mick resort to.

My Union Membership is for their help and protection if it all goes pear shaped at work.

That's all there good for these days in my opinion, we get told they are looking after the workers,  but are they?

Are the Rail, and Nurses not on good wages?

Royal fail going on strike when they are offering an inferior service, it doesn't make anyone looking in think there doing the right thing.

It's just political. 

[manthing]

Did a biggish kitchen for an old NUM convener a couple of years ago, he was in his 90's with a very nice bungalow in a decent part of town with a better pension, life expectancy and retirement than any of the miners I knew, all paid for by "donations" and the subs of his "fellow" miners. Because I doubt as a convener he did much work on the coal face.

Yes union's look after all their members equally, but some members are more equal than others.

Young Mr Scargill has a reported wealth of around £4,000,000. His pension is well protected I'd guess.

[Westward]

Rail "Workers". Hmmm.

Back in the summer I was pottering on my allotment when some men dressed head to toe in HiViz orange ambled over and asked who they should see as they were here to tidy up the bushes etc growing through the fence from the embankment about 300 yds up the path and into the our allotment area. I directed them up to where a committee member was working. The 2 men came back about half an hour later and collected the other 4 men. After a smoke and a good old yack they all moseyed gently up to the fence. Parked in the road outside were 2 Network rail Sprinters and a flat bed truck. Those 6 men took 4 hours to trim a length of light bushes about 3 times as long as my hedge. The brash they chucked over onto the embankment. I can cut my 2 metre hedge on my own and bag up the clippings in about 40 minutes!

Since 1 man in a small van could have done the entire job in an hour, it would have been more sensible, cheaper and less polluting if 5 of them had stayed back at base reading the Daily Mirror, so don't ask me to support them.

Why disrupt the lives of ordinary people, we're all being hit by inflation.

[Weihrauch17]

Given the levels of service they provide I wouldn't pay them in washers.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

I think many of us have seen railway workers, council workers at all wasting time in full view without to any regard to possible consequences.

All of the Postal Staff I know seem to be enjoying their extra holidays.

They also seem to easily forget that they are not paid on the strike days and that more importantly their chosen career is heading down the toilet rapidly!

 

All of the Courier Services must be just sitting back and taking all the extra work they can get.

Their once main rival goes in to full self destruct mode, from both management and union poor decisions!

[Scully]

10 minutes ago, Westward said:

Rail "Workers". Hmmm.

Back in the summer I was pottering on my allotment when some men dressed head to toe in HiViz orange ambled over and asked who they should see as they were here to tidy up the bushes etc growing through the fence from the embankment about 300 yds up the path and into the our allotment area. I directed them up to where a committee member was working. The 2 men came back about half an hour later and collected the other 4 men. After a smoke and a good old yack they all moseyed gently up to the fence. Parked in the road outside were 2 Network rail Sprinters and a flat bed truck. Those 6 men took 4 hours to trim a length of light bushes about 3 times as long as my hedge. The brash they chucked over onto the embankment. I can cut my 2 metre hedge on my own and bag up the clippings in about 40 minutes!

Since 1 man in a small van could have done the entire job in an hour, it would have been more sensible, cheaper and less polluting if 5 of them had stayed back at base reading the Daily Mirror, so don't ask me to support them.

Why disrupt the lives of ordinary people, we're all being hit by inflation.

😂 I lodged with a lad who worked for British Rail as it was then; after a two hour breakfast they would turn up on site and break out the cards which they would play until they’d had enough, then have lunch, a bit of a snooze and then do maybe two hours work before knocking off early just to drive to the nearest services where some would do a spot of light shoplifting, before their eventual return to base. He told me this was a regular day. He loved it. 

One bloke took his ferrets and was left alone to do what he liked. 
Another bloke ( a mate of mine ) left because he’s a workaholic and couldn’t stand the sitting about. He was only there a month and said the best bit about it were the waterproofs, which he kept. He told me one of the locals from the village used to often bring one of his rifles to work and they would pot the odd deer or hare. 
 

[JohnfromUK]

9 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

I think many of us have seen railway workers, council workers at all wasting time in full view without to any regard to possible consequences.

Yes, many, many times.  The best example I saw recently was some work carried out almost opposite my house involving some surface dressing with wet tar and chippings.  Despite it being a minor unclassified road that goes nowhere (other than back to the same B road that is at the other end)  'Traffic Management Specialists' were on site.  Two teams of two, both in open back transits, one for each side of the work area.  Each end put up signs for 'Roadwords' and Traffic Management' and sat ALL DAY in the trucks.  This went on for 3 days, and when the work was completed, they took up their signs and went away.  96 man hours.

Two people in one truck could have done the same job in an hour to set up and an hour to take down.  Total time 4 man hours.

To cap it all, the chippings arrived in a HUGE heavy tipper that completely broke up the unclassified road used to access the area being maintained, and that is now potholing with the recent frosts.  Before it was in good condition, but is not a quality of road to take heavy loads and has subsided where the heavy wheel loads passed.

[henry d]

6 hours ago, manthing said:

Wealth is created by the workers???

If it wasn't for the ideas people what would the workers do for work?

Circular argument, doesn't work for either party. 

[scutt]

 Mr linch is like a lot of workers who have had no other job than working for large poorly run public sector employers .

They don't know how good a the job pay and conditions they have they are told the are badly tret and deserve more.

I worked for a rail company before I retired I thought I had managed to get one of the best jobs going and that was for a cleaner .

Believe you me the stories you hear about the lack of work done and the time off the job are mostly true. What I am trying to put across is we all can't be paid top dollar some folk are worth more than others. And management should be held responsible for allowing these sort of work practices to continue .As soon as Mr linch puts forward his politics of envy and MSM get on board it inflates his ego to the levels of Mr Scargill. and we have stand offs and strikes ALL NEGOTIATIONS SHOULD TELEVISED LIVE and lets see how both sides NEGOTIATE 

[12gauge82]

1 hour ago, henry d said:

Circular argument, doesn't work for either party. 

I agree with this. 

[Yellow Bear]

5 minutes ago, scutt said:

Mr linch is like a lot of workers who have had no other job than working for large poorly run public sector employers .

They don't know how good a the job pay and conditions they have they are told the are badly tret and deserve more.

During my working life I worked for many of the large services Sub contractors.  Over the years I remember we had many "recruits" from Direct works departments looking for more money.  Few of them lasted for more than a month when they realised they would have to work for their money and produce if they wanted bonus.  Install  was measured and checked on a weekly basis before bonus was paid and a retention held in case of malfunction.  The tradesmen did well out of the system but self policed and would not carry "dead wood" as it effected their income.

 

[Rim Fire]

5 hours ago, Penelope said:

Incorrect.

 

The quote is 'the love of money is the root of all evil'.

Same horse different jockey

[Mice!]

2 hours ago, Yellow Bear said:

During my working life I worked for many of the large services Sub contractors.  Over the years I remember we had many "recruits" from Direct works departments looking for more money.  Few of them lasted for more than a month when they realised they would have to work for their money and produce if they wanted bonus.  Install  was measured and checked on a weekly basis before bonus was paid and a retention held in case of malfunction.  The tradesmen did well out of the system but self policed and would not carry "dead wood" as it effected their income.

 

Imagine how effective things could be if they were all ran like that 👍

3 hours ago, scutt said:

Believe you me the stories you hear about the lack of work done and the time off the job are mostly true. What I am trying to put across is we all can't be paid top dollar some folk are worth more than others. And management should be held responsible for allowing these sort of work practices to continue .As soon as Mr linch puts forward his politics of envy and MSM get on board it inflates his ego to the levels of Mr Scargill. and we have stand offs and strikes ALL NEGOTIATIONS SHOULD TELEVISED LIVE and lets see how both sides NEGOTIATE 

That would certainly be interesting 😀 

I remember the union at a place I worked laughing and just walking out of a pay talk after about two minutes,  that was their way of starting a pay negotiation 😭😪