Shufti Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-64316504 Just heard on radio and found this. Idiots! Words fail me. RSPB and wild justice offering rewards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 Whoever shot these needs to be caught. It reflects badly on the shooting community as a whole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 you would think that anyone shooting goshawks would bury them so deep as not to ever see the light of day again................ did someone just happen to be walking thro' the forest and come across a pile of goshawks...like you do .... i am always suspiceous of storeies like these Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 With you Ditchie, smells!! BUT anyone shooting or destroying raptors should be put away for a few years rest courtesy of HMP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 4 minutes ago, ditchman said: you would think that anyone shooting goshawks would bury them so deep as not to ever see the light of day again................ did someone just happen to be walking thro' the forest and come across a pile of goshawks...like you do .... i am always suspiceous of storeies like these These things happen and there might be more to the story than meets the eye , but we cannot get away from the fact that these birds were shot , each case brought to light you think this will be the last , but it isn't and for everyone caught there are no doubt many more who are not . Only in the E D P today it is reported that the police seized 100s if 1000s of bird eggs with many of the birds on the danger list , this strangely enough was also in Suffolk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 12 minutes ago, ditchman said: you would think that anyone shooting goshawks would bury them so deep as not to ever see the light of day again................ did someone just happen to be walking thro' the forest and come across a pile of goshawks...like you do .... i am always suspiceous of storeies like these Given the relative rarity of Goshawks one would be hard pressed to find 5 in one patch of forest to shoot. Smacks of WJ setup for publicity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shufti Posted January 19, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 Highly suspicious! Can't imagine anyone pro shooting would do this. A rabid anti though?........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 23 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: Whoever shot these needs to be caught. It reflects badly on the shooting community as a whole. I worded my post above carefully because I agree with the suspicion, but whoever shot them is the relevant part. I have never seen 5 goshawks in my life. They are not common, certainly round here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said: Given the relative rarity of Goshawks one would be hard pressed to find 5 in one patch of forest to shoot. Smacks of WJ setup for publicity. My first thoughts too. Edited January 19, 2023 by old man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
243deer Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 14 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said: Given the relative rarity of Goshawks one would be hard pressed to find 5 in one patch of forest to shoot. I could show you more than that in the forests near me (as long as you swore to tell no one where as we have enough idiots in roads trying to get themselves run over). A very good friend of mine in a bird protection organisation is very pro the shooting world and gamekeepers in general because of the increase in the bird of prey population in my area. He told me a classic quote from a local keeper a couple of years ago was '20 years ago I would have been sacked for having this many Goshawks around, today I would be sacked if I shot one'. So things have changed for the better but as usual some idiots just cannot help themselves. Whilst I take on board the possibility of a set up, it was not very long ago that a shot buzzard was hung up in a tree by a young 'keeper'? who was successfully prosecuted. If you want real stupidity then this is a classic. A reasonably local estate to me rung up a bird protection organisation and asked them if they wanted their tracker back from a bird of prey that had been found dead. Yes, of course, replied the organisation and can we have the body for a post mortem. The estate replied that the body had been incinerated because it was rotten. The organisation replied that that was strange as it had been tracked flying around the day before! So whilst things have improved without doubt we still have too many of these incidents every year from amongst shooting folk who should know better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 It would be a good idea if shooting orgs also offered a reward to catch the culprits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 6 minutes ago, islandgun said: It would be a good idea if shooting orgs also offered a reward to catch the culprits That's not a bad idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 I am also disappointed if this is genuine, but really. . . . 5. . . . !? There’s something very iffy about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilovemyheckler Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 It would be interesting to get post mortem to see if they were shot before or after death. I would be astonished if 5 goshawks were shot in the same piece of wood . Smacks of a WJ setup to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 if there were 5 goshawks in that wood in suffolk .........the place would be full of twitchers...............5 ...i ask you ..5........i have only seen 2 in my life !!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 1 hour ago, islandgun said: It would be a good idea if shooting orgs also offered a reward to catch the culprits It would indeed. The NGO could do themselves a favour here, followed by other ‘game’ orientated organisations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 it's quite easy to find 5 goshawks in one wood here in Wales if they was young as described it could have been the same clutch but looking at the shot pattern in that xray not one peice of that shot would have killed that goss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushandpull Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 Goshawks are to be found in numbers in East Anglia if you know where to look. Poking through the accounts, it seems they were all young birds so were possibly shot adjacent to one or more nest sites, or possibly at a communal roost, rather than on five separate occasions. DNA checks might show if some or all are related. It may be tempting to blame "antis" but get real : this was done by someone with time, skills, and unfettered access to wherever the crime took place. Dumping the bodies was surely an act of defiance to the world I suppose, by a perpetrator with some sort of metal health issues ? Hard to understand any of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Pushandpull said: or possibly at a communal roost you will not get a communal roost with Goshawks or any other BOP Edited January 19, 2023 by Rim Fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Rim Fire said: it's quite easy to find 5 goshawks in one wood here in Wales if they was young as described it could have been the same clutch but looking at the shot pattern in that xray not one peice of that shot would have killed that goss My thoughts and observations too ! Having had first hand experience of some of the RSPB tactics, I shall remain sceptical about this one....for now Edited January 19, 2023 by Westley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushandpull Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 Rim Fire, it was suggested by someone posting on RPUK that young birds would roost communally but I am no expert. However some BOP do roost communally such as harriers here and bald eagles abroad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good shot? Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) The following passage from the report does not suggest to me that a wayward keeper, for instance has shot these birds and then put them in the freezer. So who or what organisation would freeze so many birds? Anyone committing that offence would get rid of the evidence surely. Mr Thomas, head of investigations at the RSPB, said the dead birds were "fully-grown juveniles", which they believe hatched only last summer. He said it was highly unusual to see several goshawks together, apart from close to a nest in the summer months, leading to speculation the dead birds may have been kept in frozen storage. Edited January 19, 2023 by Good shot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stimo22 Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 2 hours ago, islandgun said: It would be a good idea if shooting orgs also offered a reward to catch the culprits Good idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellside Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Rim Fire said: you will not get a communal roost with Goshawks or any other BOP That’s what I have always understood too. Still smelling a rat here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stockybasher Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 3 hours ago, 243deer said: Whilst I take on board the possibility of a set up, it was not very long ago that a shot buzzard was hung up in a tree by a young 'keeper'? who was successfully prosecuted. Maybe the "young keeper has changed his target species Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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