keeper96 Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 Just need to vent…. The shoot I beat on has cancelled the beaters day! it just feels like a huge let down, I prioritised this shoot over others during the season, put holidays in at work, juggled childcare all to make sure I made all days apart from 1 and they’ve cancelled our beater day with 2 days notice and no excuse given! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bottletopbill Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 (edited) P-ss take you do beating for peanuts and they show no respect. Do not think they will have many beaters next season. Edited January 30, 2023 by bottletopbill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, keeper96 said: Just need to vent…. The shoot I beat on has cancelled the beaters day! it just feels like a huge let down, I prioritised this shoot over others during the season, put holidays in at work, juggled childcare all to make sure I made all days apart from 1 and they’ve cancelled our beater day with 2 days notice and no excuse given! All you beaters who shoot, need to inform the keeper you won’t be there next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keeper96 Posted January 30, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 Very tempted…only saving grace will be if they offer plenty of access to pigeons etc. if not then there’s always shoots looking for beaters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave at kelton Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 Not worthy of your services! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 Tell them you will accept payment for a lost shoot day at the full going rate . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spr1985 Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 (edited) @keeper96 you have every right to vent! That’s absolutely disgraceful. Providing of course that that is the deal everyone goes by. If the deal is you get x per day for beating and then a beaters/clean up day at the end of the season then technically it’s breach of contract (implied) I’d be getting in the ear of the other beaters and finding out the consensus and then maybe putting it in wrighting to the shoot owner and the head keeper (with everyone’s signatures to making them aware that it’s completely unacceptable behaviour and shows a complete lack of respect for all the hard work. hope you get sorted satisfactorily. Edited January 30, 2023 by Spr1985 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 I used to help on a shoot where, one year, the owner’s team had such an unexpectedly good day on his “last” day one week before the end of the season, that he immediately organised another day, the day before beater’s day, and invited all his ‘A’ team guests, telling them to shoot as much as possible. The team shot over 300, shooting cocks and hens. The ‘keeper was incensed, asked all the beater’s day guests to arrive early, and shot very nearly from dawn until dusk, saying, “I’ll show him how to shoot pheasants!” If I recall correctly the beater’s beat the boss’ team by about 17, shooting cocks only. The ‘keeper handed in his notice the next morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 Vote with your feet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remimax Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, keeper96 said: Just need to vent…. The shoot I beat on has cancelled the beaters day! it just feels like a huge let down, I prioritised this shoot over others during the season, put holidays in at work, juggled childcare all to make sure I made all days apart from 1 and they’ve cancelled our beater day with 2 days notice and no excuse given! yep your worth about the same as a lump of dog **** on a boot ,its a mad world 200 bird days at 10 grand total and you get £30 quid for the day. covers your fuel to get there and a bag of sweets for the kids if your lucky. Was on a 200 bird last week Wales and i reckon the beaters had been crossed with a mountain goat ,was seriously heavy going. . Edited January 30, 2023 by Remimax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 Yep. walk out. However that shoot may not be up and running next season. Is it owner run or agency? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 Bit of a job to say what we would all do until we know all the true facts , what type of shoot is it ? , fully keepered , part time keeper , commercial shoot and so on , have they had bird flu at any time during the season ? , have they had beaters days in the past ? If this was a last minute decision then yes it was a bad move if they are going to continue with the shoot . I have never known this to happen around this way , no doubt for unexpected reasons this could happen but it would have to be something out of the ordinary . Hopefully I don't get a phone call tonight for a last minute cancelation as our one start in about 13 hours time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkom Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 1 hour ago, keeper96 said: Very tempted…only saving grace will be if they offer plenty of access to pigeons etc. I would not depend on that as a sure thing. One shoot I no longer beat for took the post- game season pigeon shooting into their let days programme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 we walked out on a shoot the day before it started................... at the end of the previous year...we were picking and beating sometimes twice/week....(it was a big estate)...........looked forward to the cock day......day came.....11 cocks and a few coots..couple of pigeons ...magpie......... the shoot owner had gone in 3 days before hand and caught all the cocks up and sold them to another shoot down the road........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morkin Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 Yes I can see why you venting you view, 4 hours ago, Scully said: All you beaters who shoot, need to inform the keeper you won’t be there next season. And agree with Scully on this , but if it's the same shoot keeper, captain, leave it up to the last minute and let him down, say you're going but don't turn up on the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keeper96 Posted January 31, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 6 hours ago, marsh man said: Bit of a job to say what we would all do until we know all the true facts , what type of shoot is it ? , fully keepered , part time keeper , commercial shoot and so on , have they had bird flu at any time during the season ? , have they had beaters days in the past ? If this was a last minute decision then yes it was a bad move if they are going to continue with the shoot . I have never known this to happen around this way , no doubt for unexpected reasons this could happen but it would have to be something out of the ordinary . Hopefully I don't get a phone call tonight for a last minute cancelation as our one start in about 13 hours time Decent syndicate, shoot every other Saturday, average 100 bird days. All part time keepered by the shoot captain and his son. No bird flu issues and have always had a day in the past from what I’ve heard, this is my first year on the shoot. there has been no talk of the shoot folding next season so I’m not sure at all what’s going on with cancelling the beaters day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agriv8 Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 If you are free wander down and see what’s happening ? As it smells fishy. on my second sort of keepers day today ( but really a clear up / dray shoot etc ) pocket full of odds and **** carts wise- we are heading back up to the moor for a rough shoot . Don’t get paid but it’s a very small family run affair. Also got a dog fox that’s giving us the run around! heard rumour of good prices been payed for hens or 2 for 1 for 2 month old poults ! Agriv8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 14 hours ago, marsh man said: Bit of a job to say what we would all do until we know all the true facts This! For all you know the keeper's wife could've been hit by a bus. Establish the facts first & don't go off half-cocked... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holloway Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 9 hours ago, keeper96 said: Decent syndicate, shoot every other Saturday, average 100 bird days. All part time keepered by the shoot captain and his son. No bird flu issues and have always had a day in the past from what I’ve heard, this is my first year on the shoot. there has been no talk of the shoot folding next season so I’m not sure at all what’s going on with cancelling the beaters day. Communication is key. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 57 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said: This! For all you know the keeper's wife could've been hit by a bus. That is very true BUT there was no excuse given to me that's p;;;;;; down your back and telling you that it is raining Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 9 hours ago, udderlyoffroad said: This! For all you know the keeper's wife could've been hit by a bus. Establish the facts first & don't go off half-cocked... A keeper is judged by the days shooting and without the beaters the days shoot couldn't go ahead , he rely on a good team of beaters to make the day run as smoothly as possible , a lot of old established shoots have got a few old hands who keep an on things and are in radio contact when on stop or wide out on the flank , some of these chaps also beat on other shoots and the keeper do his upmost to keep his team of helpers well informed if for any reason the dates are changed so some might go on other shoots and some might had booked a days holiday from work so they can cancel the day off if at all possible , in other words , as soon as the keeper hear about any changes then his team of helpers also hear as soon as possible , so cancelling the beaters day without reason, and not letting the team of helpers know just don't sound right to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted February 1, 2023 Report Share Posted February 1, 2023 Keeper 96 has an excuse come forward yet as to why it was cancelled ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted February 1, 2023 Report Share Posted February 1, 2023 12 hours ago, marsh man said: nd not letting the team of helpers know just don't sound right to me Exactly - and maybe it's just my dark mind, but the way it was cancelled with no reason given has all the hallmarks of a family tragedy to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keeper96 Posted February 1, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2023 3 hours ago, Rim Fire said: Keeper 96 has an excuse come forward yet as to why it was cancelled ? Nothing official but the rumour is lack of birds the syndicate shot on Saturday for a bag of 60 birds so I’m assuming they where worried the drives wouldnt refill in 4 days. for what it’s worth I’m not bothered about the bag, I’d rather they let us meet up for one last walk about and hopefully get a couple of shots 🤷♂️ Plus I retired a dog at the start of the season and was going to bring him out for a couple of drives so was looking forward to that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted February 1, 2023 Report Share Posted February 1, 2023 (edited) why didn't they arrange beaters day after the last guns day i've been on beaters day with not many birds left but it was great just to stand on a peg that you had earned through the season it's not all about big bags on beaters day but the chance to shoot if you are lucky enough to be on the right peg and have a good crack with the boys it looks like you was all 💩 on if that is the reason Edited February 1, 2023 by Rim Fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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