Number of guns on a licence

[team tractor]

I was told I’m up to my limit last renewal. I’ve just had another for Mel b until his renewal is through 😂. Heard nothing yet.  They all fit in the cabinets so as far as I’m concerned I’m ok. 

[Imperfection]

15 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Do they......................................................................................................

Hence me saying hence.

All licensing authorities have their own little interpretation.

[button]

9 hours ago, team tractor said:

I was told I’m up to my limit last renewal. I’ve just had another for Mel b until his renewal is through 😂. Heard nothing yet.  They all fit in the cabinets so as far as I’m concerned I’m ok. 

💯 👍

[TIGHTCHOKE]

32 minutes ago, Imperfection said:

Hence me saying hence.

All licensing authorities have their own little interpretation.

And I fall within their remit, hence me being surprised.    

[smokingdragon]

I was told by my FLO that I can old up to 8 as that was what my cabinets could hold.

[marsh man]

14 hours ago, Scully said:

It may be so in the future, but it currently isn’t, so it’s not about ‘need’ ( none of us ‘need’ to have them ) but more to do with ‘want’, and I want as many as I can afford if I’m honest. 
There are multi choked sxs’s out there nowadays also, so you could ask yourself the same question. 

I was simply asking the question , how many guns you would want if you wanted to carry on shooting if and when a law was imposed  ? , if none of us need them , well why have them ?, I want mine for the sport I take part in and not to have as many as I can afford like yourself .

[Scully]

2 minutes ago, marsh man said:

I was simply asking the question , how many guns you would want if you wanted to carry on shooting if and when a law was imposed  ? , if none of us need them , well why have them ?, I want mine for the sport I take part in and not to have as many as I can afford like yourself .

I would want as many as I could afford.
You talked about ‘need’, but none of us ‘need’ any.

If ‘need’ was a requirement none of us would have them. Only professional pest controllers have a ‘need’,  the rest of us only want them for recreation or as you say, ‘sport’. 
I also want mine for the different disciplines I participate in, but I don’t ’need’ any.
I like guns, so one or two or three would never be enough.  
 

43 minutes ago, smokingdragon said:

I was told by my FLO that I can old up to 8 as that was what my cabinets could hold.

Your FLO is talking rubbish; they will hold as many as you can get in there. 

[London Best]

In the ‘90’s a FEO looked at my 7 gun cabinet and told me I could get 2 more in there easily, “so I’ll put you down for 9.”   I only had 4 at the time. 
Now I have two 7 gun and a 5 gun. So is that 19? Or 23? Or just BS.

[old'un]

14 hours ago, London Best said:

Section two shotguns do not have to be ‘approved’ at all.

A SGC permits you to possess ‘shotguns’, not a certain number.

As you say a SGC allows you to hold as many shotguns as you want but I guess the question is, how much influence does your FEO have back at the office for grant/renewal?

[Konor]

55 minutes ago, marsh man said:

I was simply asking the question , how many guns you would want if you wanted to carry on shooting if and when a law was imposed  ? , if none of us need them , well why have them ?, I want mine for the sport I take part in and not to have as many as I can afford like yourself .

+1 . My hobbies largely revolve around wildfowling ,stalking and rough shooting so I need a shotgun or rifle much as I need a rod for my trout fishing otherwise without the tools for the job those hobbies aren’t an option anymore.

 

 

 

 

[Gordon R]

I'm with Scully on this. I have 6 shotguns (two of which I am storing for a friend), but nearly bought another two last week. I don't strictly speaking need them, but they were a bargain price and one of them I really fancied owning.

At one time, my garage held 55 ratchets - which is now down to 30 plus. I bought two Britool and two Snap On ratchets yesterday. I don't use every one, every day, but I like owning tools. I have three sets of combination spanners 8-32, one of which retails around £1500. Then there are the ratchet spanners, flexi ratchet spanners, stubby combinations, ring spanners, twisted spanners, open ended, midget, crows feet spanners and more.

Despite having many times more tools than I need, I like collecting them. It isn't harming anyone, nor would it if I started collecting more shotguns.

[islandgun]

I could easily manage with my 20 bore and .22, but i seem to have acquired a lot of bargains, must haves along the way. I read somewhere recently that a mans mid life is spent accumulating essential "things" whilst his later life is spent trying to get rid of the same essential things

[wymberley]

1 hour ago, islandgun said:

I could easily manage with my 20 bore and .22, but i seem to have acquired a lot of bargains, must haves along the way. I read somewhere recently that a mans mid life is spent accumulating essential "things" whilst his later life is spent trying to get rid of the same essential things

Right enough, I fancy and at that later stage he discovers that they're not even worth anywhere near the same actual figure which he paid for them back then.

[islandgun]

25 minutes ago, wymberley said:

Right enough, I fancy and at that later stage he discovers that they're not even worth anywhere near the same actual figure which he paid for them back then.

Indeed, there's a lesson there for the younger generation. However If i could have afforded the better quality "things" at the start of my collecting, perhaps they would have been sufficient......................then again perhaps not 😉 

[ditchman]

many years ago i had a similar conversation with a friend....and it was mentioned ...the words "collectors permit"....im not terribly sure of the context it was in...

[mattsccm]

I am on 16 guns in 5 cabinets so plenty of space. 3 were inherited from my dad in March. 8 came from and uncle in 2015. Both time cabinets arrived as well. No complaints so far. As to reducing them. Why .Things like AYA yeomans and Midland sxs or singles are worthless so what's to be gained by selling up.

[Scully]

2 hours ago, Gordon R said:

I'm with Scully on this. I have 6 shotguns (two of which I am storing for a friend), but nearly bought another two last week. I don't strictly speaking need them, but they were a bargain price and one of them I really fancied owning.

At one time, my garage held 55 ratchets - which is now down to 30 plus. I bought two Britool and two Snap On ratchets yesterday. I don't use every one, every day, but I like owning tools. I have three sets of combination spanners 8-32, one of which retails around £1500. Then there are the ratchet spanners, flexi ratchet spanners, stubby combinations, ring spanners, twisted spanners, open ended, midget, crows feet spanners and more.

Despite having many times more tools than I need, I like collecting them. It isn't harming anyone, nor would it if I started collecting more shotguns.

This. 
At my last renewal visit it was a new FEO whom I’d asked ‘do you shoot’. He said no, his passion was motorbikes; ‘the bigger the better’ as he put it, of which he had five. 
I was as indifferent to his bikes as he was to my guns, as he never once got up from the kitchen table to look let alone inspect anything. 
He asked me to read from each gun the serial numbers and he would then tick it off his list, and asked me ‘ why do you have so many guns?’ 
I replied ‘ I just really like guns; why do you have so many bikes?’ 
He never even looked up from what he was doing and said ‘Fair enough’. 
We got on fine. 

[wymberley]

46 minutes ago, ditchman said:

many years ago i had a similar conversation with a friend....and it was mentioned ...the words "collectors permit"....im not terribly sure of the context it was in...

Correctly applied that is - or could be - an eminently sensible idea. For a start it would take any FEO's hairbrained idea on alarms, guns per cabinet, etc, etc, out of the equation by applying a definitive system. Everyone knows where they stand. 

[mrpip]

Received this from South Yorkshire police in 2020 ,I already had above the level of security required due to a previous attempted forced entry to my property year's ago. If I remember correctly I had to let them know by letter, on my renewal visit June this year security was asked about by FLO.

[Scully]

16 minutes ago, mrpip said:

Received this from South Yorkshire police in 2020 ,I already had above the level of security required due to a previous attempted forced entry to my property year's ago. If I remember correctly I had to let them know by letter, on my renewal visit June this year security was asked about by FLO.

Is there any legislation relating to ‘level 2 security’? 

[bluesj]

This may be of interest https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6007f45dd3bf7f0bf63ab9e5/Firearms_Security_Manual_2020.pdf

[Westley]

This sounds a bit like some Police Forces making up the rules as they go along again. There is no limit on numbers of shotguns held. I personally would not like to think that ONE of my guns ended up in the hands of Criminals, hence my level of security. Having worked as both an FEO and a Crime Prevention officer in my 30 year career, I was able to apply bits of both in my own home. Although the inside security of my guns exceeds the required levels, I based my external security on the 'try and keep em out' policy. Having seen the effect a Burglary has on the victim, it made me more determined. I would not live in a property that was not fitted with a good house alarm. I know I have said it before, but in 30 years of Policing in Liverpool, I only went to THREE that were fitted with house alarms. There is always the exception I know, but unless there is a specific target within the property,  a burglar will look for an easier option. 

[London Best]

2 hours ago, Westley said:

This sounds a bit like some Police Forces making up the rules as they go along again. There is no limit on numbers of shotguns held. I personally would not like to think that ONE of my guns ended up in the hands of Criminals, hence my level of security. Having worked as both an FEO and a Crime Prevention officer in my 30 year career, I was able to apply bits of both in my own home. Although the inside security of my guns exceeds the required levels, I based my external security on the 'try and keep em out' policy. Having seen the effect a Burglary has on the victim, it made me more determined. I would not live in a property that was not fitted with a good house alarm. I know I have said it before, but in 30 years of Policing in Liverpool, I only went to THREE that were fitted with house alarms. There is always the exception I know, but unless there is a specific target within the property,  a burglar will look for an easier option. 

Did you ever see anyone taking any notice of a house alarm going off?

[Andy H]

The burglars do when there is a 140 decibel internal unreachable  sound bomb going off on the landing wall , they  are not going to hang around trying to get through steel security with that blasting the eardrum's to death.

[Westley]

1 hour ago, London Best said:

Did you ever see anyone taking any notice of a house alarm going off?

But I have NEVER met a burglar who waited around to see what was going to happen either  ! One of the 3 burglaries where there was a house alarm fitted had internal doors fitted with contacts. The alarm activated when an inside door was opened. They just went around the rear of the bungalow, smashed each window with a sledge hammer, entered and took all of the cash and VERY high value jewellery and left. The alarm never activated. This was a local jeweller. He never totally admitted the full value, but his house alarm was a £80 d.i.y. job  🙄