Dougy Posted May 26 Report Share Posted May 26 (edited) National service my bottom, 12 different CAMPS for each different genders, and room for the additional camps that grow by the week/day. It more like to put people off voting that it would to gain votes from fear of their babies facing life issues. Edited May 26 by Dougy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted May 26 Author Report Share Posted May 26 Our army now ..is like a bunch of "armed social workers" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minky Posted May 26 Report Share Posted May 26 Why did the original national service come to an end.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted May 26 Report Share Posted May 26 1963 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moongeese Posted May 26 Report Share Posted May 26 Is this not what Germany has just imposed , and other countries are working on for the threat of war with Putin ? that their people are more ready for the future ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minky Posted May 26 Report Share Posted May 26 I read that nothing is cast in stone and that person don't have to go and be trained as servicemen and that they can opt to do work in the comunity and stuff like that. I can't quite see the point of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted May 26 Report Share Posted May 26 2 hours ago, ditchman said: Our army now ..is like a bunch of "armed social workers" My Son who is serving would disagree, they work hard and play hard, and i have to say i think he and his mates are better soldiers than me and my mates were. I have the utmost respect for all those serving today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fern01 Posted May 27 Report Share Posted May 27 The Services would not want to be lumbered with a load of dead heads that don't want to be there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted May 27 Report Share Posted May 27 To be honest I’m thinking it’s not to bad a idea it could just give a young generation who doesn’t have a way out of there life a chance to make good its not going to happen in the first few years but given a little time the possibilities of changing the mindset of the young generation are there worst case would be that some young people would like it embracing the opportunity and go on to make incredible progress in the forces Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabbers Posted May 27 Report Share Posted May 27 the services have been cut to the bone financially over the last few years now the want to introduce national service ,wheres the money coming from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted May 27 Author Report Share Posted May 27 i would inajine that the army brass are wracking their brains ...as to how to make this work...also the fitness would be a big issue,,,,most kids now-a-days would be unable to pull their own body weight......... what would happen (god forbid) if they were called to fight..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claydodger Posted May 27 Report Share Posted May 27 11 hours ago, welsh1 said: My Son who is serving would disagree, they work hard and play hard, and i have to say i think he and his mates are better soldiers than me and my mates were. I have the utmost respect for all those serving today. Total respect for all those serving today and all that have served before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claydodger Posted May 27 Report Share Posted May 27 20 hours ago, dainty duck said: The top and bottom of it they don't want to get back in ! lets face would you want to try and run a country when you get brick bats thrown at you at every turn! I reckon you could be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymo Posted May 27 Report Share Posted May 27 Why are we concentrating on NS being Military based only? NS could encompass all walks of the public sector as it does in other Countries! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted May 27 Report Share Posted May 27 I think some of you need to read the proposal, seems more like a compulsory gap year with some forces involvement, or other public service organisations. Obviously, they're going to do it with what money and what personnel? They are about as likely to be training effective front line forces as I am to start horse whispering. Those advocating for 'old school' National service should remember why we got rid of it in the 50s (Yes I know some officers hung on till '63): The cold war with the USSR was getting into full swing, and the kit the forces were operating was getting ever increasingly complex. The prospect of training someone up for 18mths, to get 6mths useful work out of them, for them to leave ASAP, was just a massive waste of time and resources. We need a professional properly funded armed services, not what amounts to a glorified YTS. Sunak's desperate proposal helps no-one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted May 27 Report Share Posted May 27 calls for conscription from a fool so weak he can’t even stop unarmed dinghies cue laughter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted May 27 Report Share Posted May 27 23 hours ago, Gordon R said: Not seen an explanation if someone says no. No criminal record or charge. I assume someone was drunk when the idea came up, but it's hardly a vote winner with young voters. OR their PARENTS ! 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted May 27 Report Share Posted May 27 19 hours ago, Minky said: I read that nothing is cast in stone and that person don't have to go and be trained as servicemen and that they can opt to do work in the comunity and stuff like that. I can't quite see the point of this. That's what national service would probably end up looking like I can't see them marching up and down on a parade ground getting yelled at. National Service came in after the war because we had army /navy /Air force establishments all over the world that still needed to be manned. Even though they weren't on a war footing anymore. To keep the national servicemen occupied they imposed a huge round of mind numbing inspections and bull. Today we wouldn't be able to house a load of national servicemen and there is nobody to train them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted May 27 Report Share Posted May 27 When I joined up I (we) were subject to mind numbing inspections and bull as described above. We were regulars albeit apprentice technicians and the guy marching us about and dishing out the bull was national service. Bad news for a while as as they were leaving in droves some had to serve a few extra months to make up the shortfall. and as you can imagine those affected were not best pleased. Just our luck that our DI was one of them and he let us know in no uncertain terms just how peeved he was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miserableolgit Posted May 27 Report Share Posted May 27 1 hour ago, Vince Green said: That's what national service would probably end up looking like I can't see them marching up and down on a parade ground getting yelled at. National Service came in after the war because we had army /navy /Air force establishments all over the world that still needed to be manned. Even though they weren't on a war footing anymore. To keep the national servicemen occupied they imposed a huge round of mind numbing inspections and bull. Today we wouldn't be able to house a load of national servicemen and there is nobody to train them. This. With regard military service; cutbacks over the years means that there are just not the facilities and infrastructure to house, service and train large numbers of young folks. Social service is a different matter which I suppose could include vocational training as well as undertaking things that benefit the local community etc.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dainty duck Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 12 hours ago, Miserableolgit said: This. With regard military service; cutbacks over the years means that there are just not the facilities and infrastructure to house, service and train large numbers of young folks. Social service is a different matter which I suppose could include vocational training as well as undertaking things that benefit the local community etc.. this ^ as we all are a where the military camps and accommodations have been turned over to housing the asylum seekers . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 More Magic Roundabout? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted May 28 Report Share Posted May 28 25 minutes ago, old man said: More Magic Roundabout? This. Throw them out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted May 29 Report Share Posted May 29 Don’t get too worried about it, the Con ( artists)are done! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted May 29 Report Share Posted May 29 31 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: Don’t get too worried about it, the Con ( artists)are done! The problem maybe, is the con artists queuing up to give us their full canvas? A sad affair when the only vote is to be for the least personal harm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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