Rob85 Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 3 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, Now who will be in Keir Starmers Cabinet ????? Is Angela Raynor now going to be deputy prime minister? Imagine that, becoming deputy prime minister when you fell out of school at 16 because you couldn't keep your legs closed and got up the duff, have 0 qualifications and only got where you are by becoming a union rep and joining the party. Is this the shining example the working class should follow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 4 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: I predict a road crash for Labour who’ll call a new EU referendum towards the end of their term in an attempt to mess up Farage et al. No chance of proportional representation discussions early doors but who knows later on, unlikely in my view but hey ho. Spot on. A new EU referendum will seal Labours fate and guarantee a reform take over. I say bring it on. Do they really think the public will vote re join including taking the Euro ext 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 2 minutes ago, Rob85 said: Is Angela Raynor now going to be deputy prime minister? Imagine that, becoming deputy prime minister when you fell out of school at 16 because you couldn't keep your legs closed and got up the duff, have 0 qualifications and only got where you are by becoming a union rep and joining the party. Is this the shining example the working class should follow? Hello, No but nothing surprises me 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 4 hours ago, Raja Clavata said: The main contribution of the Reform votes so far seems to be strengthening the Labour majority, bit of an own goal for our shooting fraternity. Not really. If you added together the reform votes and Cons votes Labour had a majority regardless. Considering Reform had over double the votes that the cons did in the seats I saw, you could argue votes for Cons took votes away from Reform to strengthen the Labour Majority! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 8 minutes ago, Rob85 said: Is Angela Raynor now going to be deputy prime minister? Imagine that, becoming deputy prime minister when you fell out of school at 16 because you couldn't keep your legs closed and got up the duff, have 0 qualifications and only got where you are by becoming a union rep and joining the party. Is this the shining example the working class should follow? Sadly many lieboor supporters are thus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 5 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: A new EU referendum will seal Labours fate and guarantee a reform take over. I say bring it on. Do they really think the public will vote re join including taking the Euro ext 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 You increasingly appear to be a disciple of the Farage gospel, and why not he’s got everything right so far. Let’s leave it a few months, wait for the next yougov poll on rejoining the EU and see if noises start up within Labour on this topic. Bear in mind they have a mahoosive majority (albeit for now). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 1 minute ago, Raja Clavata said: Let’s leave it a few months, wait for the next yougov poll on rejoining the EU and see if noises start up within Labour on this topic I always wonder where they get the data from for this.. and how accurate it could be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 4 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: Not really. If you added together the reform votes and Cons votes Labour had a majority regardless. Considering Reform had over double the votes that the cons did in the seats I saw, you could argue votes for Cons took votes away from Reform to strengthen the Labour Majority! A smaller majority, yes my point was it’s been strengthened. Your logic doesn’t hold on your second point. The cons migrated to Reform not the other way around. Not all voters moving from Con went to Reform, that’s obvious from the Lib Dem gains on previous Tory seats. 1 minute ago, ShootingEgg said: I always wonder where they get the data from for this.. and how accurate it could be. About as accurate as the poll was in 2016 possibly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dainty duck Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 1 hour ago, Robden said: 1 hour ago, Robden said: How long before Labour get rid of Starmer?? How long before Labour get rid of Starmer?? It won't be long, 18 months tops ! the unions and the imams will not let him make the decisions ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyH Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 What does this mean for UK shooting? In simple terms? Are we shagged now Labour are in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmaxphil Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 Seems like the snp have been kicked into touch by the Scottish voters, so no independence vote for Scotland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 Just now, BobbyH said: What does this mean for UK shooting? In simple terms? Are we shagged now Labour are in? Possibly, but we could always glue ourselves to the road in protest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 1 hour ago, Mungler said: really do wonder who control the Tory party? I don't think people like Rishi, I just can't get Will from the in-betweeners out my head, nobody voted him in, and he's done nothing. 1 hour ago, 12gauge82 said: think the majority of reform voters would not vote a Con after their betrayal after the last 14 years. I'd look at it the other way around, it's thanks to Conservative votes that Labour have taken the share from reform, which is now the true Conservative Party. I think your dreaming, people aren't happy so voted Reform because they didn't want Labour, but it's given them Labour, then look at SNP, massive collapse up there, giving how many more votes to Labour. Labour have been GIVEN a massive majority because the other parties have had long enough and people were fed up. So now we wait to see what happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 44 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: I predict a road crash for Labour who’ll call a new EU referendum towards the end of their term in an attempt to mess up Farage et al. No chance of proportional representation discussions early doors but who knows later on, unlikely in my view but hey ho. Spot on. I disagree on Labour and Conservatives being the same thing. May justify your Reform position but doesn’t wash with me. There’s no point crying after the fact, Reform voters are supposed to be the enlightened ones😂 Each to their own but I think the polling proves the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith 66 Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 Long faces in the yot club last night, the usual tories pontificating that voting reform was a wasted vote. Well in Castle point the cons got 15,485 votes, Reform second with 12,234, so we are still stuck with an invisible useless mp, here voting labour was the wasted vote. In Southend the tories got kicked out by labour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chesterse Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 Turkeys and Christmas comes to mind! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 Quote You regularly speak up about anti-semites in Labour but rarely, if ever, seem to balance that with reference to Islamophobia in other parties. It’s difficult to ascertain if this apparent bias is predominantly politically or religiously motivated. Why do I need to balance anti-semitism with any other cause? If you posted something anti-Russian, would you feel the need to post something anti-Ukrainian? I have no bias. I don't agree with discrimination full stop. Please do not spend time ascertaining, as I suspect it is quite hard for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 9 minutes ago, Keith 66 said: Long faces in the yot club last night, the usual tories pontificating that voting reform was a wasted vote. Well in Castle point the cons got 15,485 votes, Reform second with 12,234, so we are still stuck with an invisible useless mp, here voting labour was the wasted vote. In Southend the tories got kicked out by labour Yep, this gives a good breakdown of how well Reform did….https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2024/uk/results Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranfield Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 A "cop out" result. Apathy Rules. Estimated turnout less than 60%, Labour getting estimated 36% of the vote (Metro quotes). Labour win by default, not by majority approval. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoli 12 guage Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 46 minutes ago, old'un said: Possibly, but we could always glue ourselves to the road in protest. or paint/smash up some statues/old masters/buildings 👍 you've no chance of getting arrested but you might get a cuppa and a nice copper or 7 to dance for you👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Shot Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 52 minutes ago, BobbyH said: What does this mean for UK shooting? In simple terms? Are we shagged now Labour are in? I would predict that Labour will follow the exact path that Welsh Labour have in Wales and almost immediately target a licensing scheme for game bird release via Natural England. If you have a renewal coming up for either a SGC or FAC then now would be a good time to stump up the extra few ££'s for a coterminous renewal. Within a year you'll be facing a charge of £400+ per renewal. I would also recommend a BASC membership if you don't already have one. Like them or not, BASC are going to be the single most important asset that shooters will have over the next 4 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoli 12 guage Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Cranfield said: A "cop out" result. Apathy Rules. Estimated turnout less than 60%, Labour getting estimated 36% of the vote (Metro quotes). Labour win by default, not by majority approval. ERRRRRRR,how is 60% of the vote not a majority 🤷♀️ 36% of 60% turnout equates to 60% Reform get the third biggest vote share and get 4 MP's and yet the Ed Davey stuntmans party comes fourth and gets 71 Edited July 5 by Zoli 12 guage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyH Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 13 minutes ago, Poor Shot said: I would predict that Labour will follow the exact path that Welsh Labour have in Wales and almost immediately target a licensing scheme for game bird release via Natural England. If you have a renewal coming up for either a SGC or FAC then now would be a good time to stump up the extra few ££'s for a coterminous renewal. Within a year you'll be facing a charge of £400+ per renewal. I would also recommend a BASC membership if you don't already have one. Like them or not, BASC are going to be the single most important asset that shooters will have over the next 4 years. Okay, that’s fair! So, would clay shooting be targeted aswell do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 12 minutes ago, Poor Shot said: I would also recommend a BASC membership if you don't already have one. Like them or not, BASC are going to be the single most important asset that shooters will have over the next 4 years. basc is a toothless old dog who have done more damage to shooting than labour ever will I would sooner join the antis! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoli 12 guage Posted July 5 Report Share Posted July 5 1 minute ago, BobbyH said: Okay, that’s fair! So, would clay shooting be targeted aswell do you think? i think the clue is in the word of what we use to smash clays shot "GUN" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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