rbrowning2 Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 you could always return the winter fuel allowance payment if you did not need it, I assume many who are now praising the decision to make it means tested did just that, did you not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 7 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: I think we understand how you feel. Many of us (seniors) are feeling we've just been robbed ....... I'm afraid we have to get used to it - as the first of many thefts Oh! Come on, it's not all bad after all we got to pay our over75s TV licence - Again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 1 hour ago, oowee said: Thank goodness. Rachel just saved us from 6.4bn yes that's billion on the asylum system. Settlement on pay for junior doctors. Fingers crossed they can get stuck into the back log. Cutting winter fuel allowance for those pensioners not on benefits. Another solid common sense move. What a breath of fresh air. where will the billion on asylum savings come from, £700 million already spent and no refund so that cannot be included and no planes now flying to Rwanda. Yet what some 200 arriving virtually every day in small boats, what is labour going to do to save the billion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 1 minute ago, wymberley said: Oh! Come on, it's not all bad after all we got to pay our over75s TV licence - Again! I'll remember that when I get to 75. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 35 minutes ago, clangerman said: actually I think the minister move will be so popular with voters they prob have both proof and the guilty already lined up which is a bit sneaky of them I doubt it, but time will tell which one of us is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jega Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 (edited) 30 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: I think we understand how you feel. Many of us (seniors) are feeling we've just been robbed ....... I'm afraid we have to get used to it - as the first of many thefts Along with the little bit she added on about removing the proposed cap on care costs should you require care in your old age , then it's bye bye house and any other assets you've worked all your life for . Pensioners really really easy target . Edited July 29 by Jega Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 1 minute ago, Jega said: Pensioners really really easy target . Indeed they are, and no harm caused by upsetting them as they are not generally Labour voters (they have been around long enough to see what happens when you have a Labour government) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 3 minutes ago, Jega said: Along with the little bit she added on about removing the proposed cap on care costs should you require care in your old age , then it's bye bye house and any other assets you've worked all your life for . Pensioners really really easy target . Don’t forget that was supposed to be implemented in October 2023!! The conservatives “delayed it” 2 years knowing they’d probably never have to implement it. Labour coming in and seeing the country broke, I can’t blame them, and I work in the social care sector and think the loss of those caps is a massive hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 1 hour ago, Dougy said: Why are there posts about saving money by impacting pensioners We have to cut benefits where it makes sense. 1 hour ago, marsh man said: Maybe if it was means tested then for those who cannot afford paying for Winter fuel then they might get some help , but a lot of us wouldn't even apply for any help , it would be far better if the fuel was reduced for people over a certain age , all sorted , only I don't think . I think there is something in this. Now the brakes are off and we can get building cheaper green energy. As we get more self sufficient there can be far more community energy packages. You agree to some green production and in return you get reduced bills. No reason why (other than Westminster) places like Scotland should be paying for energy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 55 minutes ago, ditchman said: not best pleased..........wont say more than that otherwise iwill be BANNED again What he said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 19 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: Labour coming iback n and seeing the country is still broke, and this time the Conservatives didn't fix the mess they left. I can’t blame them, and I work in the social care sector and think the loss of those caps is a massive hit. Fixed it for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 54 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: Indeed they are, and no harm caused by upsetting them as they are not generally Labour voters (they have been around long enough to see what happens when you have a Labour government) Hello, Good post John, As it happens I am not any voter, I have said before there has not been a decent government since the end of WW 2 that actually cared about most people in UK, That includes Tories, Labour and Lib Dems, Lets see how wealthy this Labour Goverment like Tony Blair now worth multi millions while families are struggling to keep their finances together, I can see a big increase in people needing food banks right across UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 (edited) 2 hours ago, Gordon R said: India and China have said they don't need our money, but still we send it. My suspicious mind imagines many brown envelopes. Of course it is and always has been that. The cost of doing business with these places. Call it "dash", "baksheesh", "a sweetener" or what it is a "backhander" it's always been that. You by our turbines, our rail system, our missile system and the "aid" gets paid to the minister of energy, the transport departmental head, the secretary for defence. It's always been that since the days of the Lockheed Starfighter. It's that we now in the West blush about being open about it so call it "aid" instead. Edited July 29 by enfieldspares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 2 hours ago, ditchman said: not best pleased..........wont say more than that otherwise iwill be BANNED again They have been chipping away the Winter fuel allowance for a while now , wasn't it once more than what it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 5 minutes ago, marsh man said: They have been chipping away the Winter fuel allowance for a while now , wasn't it once more than what it now It has always struck me a stupid and wasteful to pay pensioners a pension plus a separate winter fuel allowance (WFA) and a further separate £10 Christmas bonus (CB). Why not add the WFA and CB into the pension? Answer - it's harder to 'take away' if it's part of the pension as reducing the pension is a step too far - even for greedy Labour chancellors. I must admit, I thought Labour would hit pensioners - they always do, but I didn't expect it to happen this quickly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh man Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 3 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: It has always struck me a stupid and wasteful to pay pensioners a pension plus a separate winter fuel allowance (WFA) and a further separate £10 Christmas bonus (CB). Why not add the WFA and CB into the pension? Answer - it's harder to 'take away' if it's part of the pension as reducing the pension is a step too far - even for greedy Labour chancellors. I must admit, I thought Labour would hit pensioners - they always do, but I didn't expect it to happen this quickly! I know something , it have been a total waste of time putting money into my private pension , exactly half of it have gone in income tax , good job I didn't listen to the pension advisor , if I did I wouldn't have what money I have got know , not well off by any means , but enough to get by ........................................for the time being Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOPGUN749 Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 4 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, It states 1 in 3 Pensioners still do not get Pension Credit that they should Apply for as it looks like you will only get the winter fuel payments if you get this Credit but there maybe other benefits that this applies to, Ok so someone who was thrifty and saved hard to get a decent pension life will loose the Allowance to someone who saved nothing and just paid the basic Government pension payment gets the Heating allowance, Even the new(since 2016) state pension of £221.20 a week is above the pension credit threshold,so they won’t receive a heating allowance. Only if a single pensioner has under about £218 a week and very little savings will they keep the heating allowance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 (edited) 1 hour ago, oowee said: We have to cut benefits where it makes sense. **** Funnuest thing ive read today but continue to throw benefits to none British. Yes right I get that lol Edited July 29 by Dougy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 how many votes have they lost as a result .....they must have calculated that before the event Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weihrauch17 Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 4 minutes ago, ditchman said: how many votes have they lost as a result .....they must have calculated that before the event I think they calculated that not many Pensioners are deranged enough to vote for this bunch of Marxists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 I always considered it as the Winter Cartridge Alowance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 Isn't it a bit odd criticising Labour for removing the winter fuel payment when it was them that introduced it? I didn't think it made a lot of sense when they brought it in as everyone got it rather than just those that actually needed it. I do wish they would sort out the dole payments to people that are not even from here and contribute nothing. Did you know folk from the EU working here are entitled to child allowance for their kids that don't even live in this country? How barmy is that! An EU thing that we are not even part of any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 (edited) 7 hours ago, 39TDS said: Isn't it a bit odd criticising Labour for removing the winter fuel payment when it was them that introduced it? One thing all working people should be doing from their first jobs is (crazy as it sounds) is thinking about how they will save and fund their lives, families, housing and retirement. ALL governments have agreed that people should be saving for retirement and in my working lifetime there have been NUMEROUS schemes, changes, variations, mixes of state pension and 'defined contribution' or 'defined benefit schemes', State Earnings Related Scheme (SERPS), the ability to "Contract Out", Guaranteed Minimum Pensions, so called "Free Standing Additional Voluntary Contribution Schemes" (FAVCS), number of years to qualify. ALL of these have been 'tinkered with' by various Chancellors. Gordon Brown raided private schemes. It has been a real minefield where the rules continually change. No-one can plan for their future with any certainty. If the government (all colours) really want growth, that needs money (capital) to fund it, and allowing people to have money to save, and save it in a tax environment that encourages long term saving. This continual uncertainty as to what people will get in retirement, what will be suddenly taken away, and what tax relief will be allowed when saving money in - and what tax will be payable on drawing money out simply makes people realise that it is not worth saving. That means less pension funds to finance industry and growth. The reality is that the whole huge pot of privately owned money held as part of everyone's pensions (both working and retired people) provides the money to fund industry growing ............. and what they need most is long term stability and certainty. Instead they get continual moving goalposts and an undulating playing field. Edited July 30 by JohnfromUK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted July 29 Report Share Posted July 29 2 hours ago, oowee said: We have to cut benefits where it makes sense How about starting with the breeders who just throw out another kid when they need a new BMW. But can't be ***** to work. Nah let's hit people who work hard and pay there way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushandpull Posted July 30 Report Share Posted July 30 This is nonsense. A second child would yield £16.95 a week if I recollect correctly. A third child nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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