TIGHTCHOKE Posted April 28, 2019 Report Share Posted April 28, 2019 1 hour ago, sam triple said: does anyone know or heard what the RSPB has sad about this sorry episode Love your Freudian slip! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 28, 2019 Report Share Posted April 28, 2019 Just got this...……………………….. Display problems? View this newsletter in your browser. BASC Head Office, Marford Mill, Rossett, Wrexham, LL12 0HLContact NE revokes general licences - what you need to do now You will be aware that Natural England (NE) suspended three general licences, under which 16 pest bird species could be legally controlled in England. This followed a legal challenge from activist group Wild Justice. NE has told BASC that they hope to have new general licences in place during the week beginning Monday 29 April. If you control pests under the terms of the general licence, you must make an individual application right away or stop shooting until new system is available. You can apply for a temporary licence by clicking here. Natural England has published a position statement on the general licences and the next steps. It explains the situation with general licences in detail and offers advice on what people controlling pests could do. It is available to read here. BASC continues to press Natural England and the government to issue new general licences as a matter of urgency and will publish regular updates on the dedicated BASC webpage. **Please note that members' emails can only go out in batches to avoid being blocked as spam. This email is going out to all BASC members in the UK. It will take up to three working days for it to reach everyone. We apologise for the inconvenience.** © 2019 BASC - British Association for Shooting and Conservation Registered Office: Marford Mill, Rossett, Wrexham, LL12 0HL Registered Society No: 28488R Unsubscribe from this mailing list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted April 28, 2019 Report Share Posted April 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, Dekers said: Just got this...……………………….. Yes, I got that in overnight. I found the middle link (the one "It is available to read here") very helpful and would recommend people to have a look at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo33 Posted April 28, 2019 Report Share Posted April 28, 2019 18 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: Yes, I got that in overnight. I found the middle link (the one "It is available to read here") very helpful and would recommend people to have a look at that. Me too. Priority 2 makes particularly interesting reading? Such careful attention to detail over such an important issue! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted April 28, 2019 Report Share Posted April 28, 2019 No collard dove ive noticed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted April 28, 2019 Report Share Posted April 28, 2019 (edited) Looks like BASC are going for some changes, the saga continues…https://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/topic/387487-new-general-licence-“not-fit-for-purpose”-basc-tells-ne/ Mods at this time when the info is coming in dribs and drabs would it be a good idea to put a sticky with all the info coming in from Debbie (BASC) as I think some people are missing it, if there were just one place to look for the latest info it might help. Edited April 28, 2019 by old'un Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarecrow243 Posted April 28, 2019 Report Share Posted April 28, 2019 Hi folks i havent seen any posts that say putting out gas guns banger ropes kites etc get gas gun batteries stolen switched off rope bangers getting cut stolen etc etc i have had this problem up here and read on the net about walkers cutting rope bangers and putting them in water this is theft plus rope bangers are a danger too kids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted April 28, 2019 Report Share Posted April 28, 2019 And a fire hazzard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajarrett Posted April 28, 2019 Report Share Posted April 28, 2019 Collared Doves should come under serious damage to foodstuffs for livestock and public health and safety Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tollerman Posted April 28, 2019 Report Share Posted April 28, 2019 NGO have found major flaws with the new Crow control licence and deem it ' not fit for purpose '.Another quick bodge up by NE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodgy dave Posted April 28, 2019 Report Share Posted April 28, 2019 at least we have basc to look after us we have to get it right even if it takes a little longer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Boggy Posted April 28, 2019 Report Share Posted April 28, 2019 1 hour ago, turbo33 said: Me too. Priority 2 makes particularly interesting reading? Such careful attention to detail over such an important issue! 53 minutes ago, Ultrastu said: No collard dove ive noticed 11 minutes ago, Ajarrett said: Collared Doves should come under serious damage to foodstuffs for livestock and public health and safety Just goes to indicate the total ineptitude of NE. Items as indicated by Turbo33 duplicated and items (collared doves) as indicated by Ultrasu and Alan Jarrett omitted. Beggars belief who is coming up with this. No wonder WJ was able to win their case. OB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajarrett Posted April 28, 2019 Report Share Posted April 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Old Boggy said: Demonstrates that this is an anti's charter. See the new Thread I have started about extending SSSIs 2 minutes ago, Old Boggy said: Just goes to indicate the total ineptitude of NE. Items as indicated by Turbo33 duplicated and items (collared doves) as indicated by Ultrasu and Alan Jarrett omitted. Beggars belief who is coming up with this. No wonder WJ was able to win their case. OB See the new Thread I have started about extending SSSIs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Boggy Posted April 28, 2019 Report Share Posted April 28, 2019 11 minutes ago, Ajarrett said: See the new Thread I have started about extending SSSIs See the new Thread I have started about extending SSSIs Just read that Alan. Thanks for posting. No doubt that WJ are working full out to find yet more chinks in NE`s armour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Boggy Posted April 28, 2019 Report Share Posted April 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Ultrastu said: No collard dove ive noticed Being sceptical, I`m wondering whether the omission of collared doves from Priority 3 was an error or something that NE were keeping under the radar in the hope that no-one would notice. However, not being an indigenous species to Britain, I think that they should be included in Priority 3 if not 1. Hopefully this omission to this non-indigenous species will be forcibly pointed out to NE in the very near future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted April 28, 2019 Report Share Posted April 28, 2019 got mine yesterday i will wait and see what happends befor i fill out forms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted April 28, 2019 Report Share Posted April 28, 2019 Anything about moorhen and coots? Also assume that airfields are still covered by there separate license just a thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted April 28, 2019 Report Share Posted April 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Old farrier said: Anything about moorhen and coots? Also assume that airfields are still covered by there separate license just a thought They have never been on the GL, they are waterfowl and as such come under waterfowl open seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted April 28, 2019 Report Share Posted April 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, CharlieT said: They have never been on the GL, they are waterfowl and as such come under waterfowl open seasons. Thank you for clarifying the point for me 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted April 28, 2019 Report Share Posted April 28, 2019 5 hours ago, Dekers said: Just got this...……………………….. Display problems? View this newsletter in your browser. BASC Head Office, Marford Mill, Rossett, Wrexham, LL12 0HLContact NE revokes general licences - what you need to do now You will be aware that Natural England (NE) suspended three general licences, under which 16 pest bird species could be legally controlled in England. This followed a legal challenge from activist group Wild Justice. NE has told BASC that they hope to have new general licences in place during the week beginning Monday 29 April. If you control pests under the terms of the general licence, you must make an individual application right away or stop shooting until new system is available. You can apply for a temporary licence by clicking here. Natural England has published a position statement on the general licences and the next steps. It explains the situation with general licences in detail and offers advice on what people controlling pests could do. It is available to read here. BASC continues to press Natural England and the government to issue new general licences as a matter of urgency and will publish regular updates on the dedicated BASC webpage. **Please note that members' emails can only go out in batches to avoid being blocked as spam. This email is going out to all BASC members in the UK. It will take up to three working days for it to reach everyone. We apologise for the inconvenience.** © 2019 BASC - British Association for Shooting and Conservation Registered Office: Marford Mill, Rossett, Wrexham, LL12 0HL Registered Society No: 28488R Unsubscribe from this mailing list Dekers.. I was wondering how the new licencing has effected you, as a professional Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSpredder Posted April 28, 2019 Report Share Posted April 28, 2019 I had never even heard of Wild Justice until a few days ago, so thought it might be a good idea to find out about them. Quotes in red are from the Wild Justice website https://wildjustice.org.uk/about/ My interpretations are in italics. “We decided not to set up a charity because that would limit some activities, eg campaigning against government policies, that we may want to carry out.” Charitable status would have brought substantial benefits, so animal welfare is perhaps NOT the principal objective of Wild Justice. Wild Justice will take on public bodies ….. We aim to hold their feet to the fire in court.” It sounds as though Wild Justice intend to concentrate on interpretation of the law, rather than science. This will allow them to rely on arguments about the exact wording of regulations, and avoid any challenge based on scientific evidence or practical considerations (eg welfare of domestic animals or non-pest species). “… if the law is weak, if the law is flawed – we are coming for you.” You may be acting entirely within the law, but if the directors Wild Justice happen to disagree with the wording of that particular law, they will launch a campaign against you as an individual. “I know many people who despair ….. typically because access to justice can be prohibitively expensive and a daunting arena.” … and a hill farmer whose lambs are having their eyes pecked by corvids, or a smallholder watching brassica crops being destroyed by pigeons, has very little chance of winning a case brought by Wild Justice. “Legal cases are expensive even though we have found a great team of lawyers who will help us at very low fees.” … which loads dice even further in favour of the Wild Justice, and against any ordinary individual whom they might chose to attack. “Very low fees” implies that Wild Justice is being heavily subsidized by a wealthy law firm. Will those lawyers be claiming very low fees when the taxpayer foots the bill for the recent legal case? I rather doubt it. “Your donation will enable us to fight for wildlife in the courts and in the media” Packham is a very rich man (net worth said to be $4 million), a substantial part of his wealth having been provided by UK taxpayers via the BBC, but he wants other people to fund his vanity project. https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/authors/chris-packham-net-worth/ “We don’t currently allow comments on this site” Criticism (even constructive criticism) of Wild Justice will not be permitted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted April 28, 2019 Report Share Posted April 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, islandgun said: Dekers.. I was wondering how the new licencing has effected you, as a professional Hardly at all yet, I only do a little pigeon etc, but the Canada Goose will be an issue if all is not resolved soon! Can't help thinking I will have yet more paperwork to do in the future though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted April 28, 2019 Report Share Posted April 28, 2019 13 minutes ago, McSpredder said: I had never even heard of Wild Justice until a few days ago, so thought it might be a good idea to find out about them. Quotes in red are from the Wild Justice website https://wildjustice.org.uk/about/ My interpretations are in italics. “We decided not to set up a charity because that would limit some activities, eg campaigning against government policies, that we may want to carry out.” Charitable status would have brought substantial benefits, so animal welfare is perhaps NOT the principal objective of Wild Justice. Wild Justice will take on public bodies ….. We aim to hold their feet to the fire in court.” It sounds as though Wild Justice intend to concentrate on interpretation of the law, rather than science. This will allow them to rely on arguments about the exact wording of regulations, and avoid any challenge based on scientific evidence or practical considerations (eg welfare of domestic animals or non-pest species). “… if the law is weak, if the law is flawed – we are coming for you.” You may be acting entirely within the law, but if the directors Wild Justice happen to disagree with the wording of that particular law, they will launch a campaign against you as an individual. “I know many people who despair ….. typically because access to justice can be prohibitively expensive and a daunting arena.” … and a hill farmer whose lambs are having their eyes pecked by corvids, or a smallholder watching brassica crops being destroyed by pigeons, has very little chance of winning a case brought by Wild Justice. “Legal cases are expensive even though we have found a great team of lawyers who will help us at very low fees.” … which loads dice even further in favour of the Wild Justice, and against any ordinary individual whom they might chose to attack. “Very low fees” implies that Wild Justice is being heavily subsidized by a wealthy law firm. Will those lawyers be claiming very low fees when the taxpayer foots the bill for the recent legal case? I rather doubt it. “Your donation will enable us to fight for wildlife in the courts and in the media” Packham is a very rich man (net worth said to be $4 million), a substantial part of his wealth having been provided by UK taxpayers via the BBC, but he wants other people to fund his vanity project. https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/authors/chris-packham-net-worth/ “We don’t currently allow comments on this site” Criticism (even constructive criticism) of Wild Justice will not be permitted. Brilliant, absolutely first class and even better than your previous post. Thank you very much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted April 28, 2019 Report Share Posted April 28, 2019 Having only had a quick read through the new gl for crows as far as I can see if someone wanted to they could put forward a case that you should have to try to scare the crow off before every lethal shot you take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clumber Posted April 28, 2019 Report Share Posted April 28, 2019 Been at work all day, got this from the NGO today. If this has already been posted please delete the post. https://nationalgamekeepers.us3.list-manage.com/track/click?u=5f1e620edf157cc3d39206689&id=272825b836&e=e1844d09aa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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