figgy Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 (edited) Terrible news breaking today. Police investigating the deaths of 39 people in the container on a trailer lorry. Came in through Hollyhead on 19th October from Bulgaria all dead and one teen. People smuggling or trafficking. Edited October 23, 2019 by figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 39 , migrants apparently. The refrigeration was on, and they froze or suffocated. More blood on traffickers hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 The police would know more about what has happened than I do but I thought they were a bit quick arresting the driver for murder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyn Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 I read somewhere that a lot of Irish lorrys are registered as Bulgarian to avoid some sort of tax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 absolutely horrendous... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 (edited) AFAIk - even if the driver knew nothing about the affair, he still carries the can? Edited October 23, 2019 by bruno22rf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 I know this probably means I am a terrible person and deserve to burn in the eternal fires etc, but I really couldn't care less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 Actually , Vince, my coat is the same colour as yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 Same here, I'm afraid. Interesting to read an article today which sets Blair's immigration failures on the reason for the 2016 vote being to leave. Serious failure on the port of embarkation authorities as well. May cause all sorts of problems but all vehicles should be checked prior to crossing NOT when they have already arrived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 19 minutes ago, Vince Green said: I know this probably means I am a terrible person and deserve to burn in the eternal fires etc, but I really couldn't care less No it doesn`t, the fact that you posted it does show how thoroughly inhumane you and the others are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrycatcat1 Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 For what its worth I find this a very sad story no matter who was in the trailer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Walker570 said: Same here, I'm afraid. Interesting to read an article today which sets Blair's immigration failures on the reason for the 2016 vote being to leave. Serious failure on the port of embarkation authorities as well. May cause all sorts of problems but all vehicles should be checked prior to crossing NOT when they have already arrived. But theyve come from the EU ! So no need to check anything In all seriousness , how many borders, how many ferry crossings, how many ports of entry has this container been through ? In this case , it was full of people, FULL of people , not 2 or 3 , who sadly died. Now imagine it was full of guns, explosives, drugs , hazardous chemicals, bio agents, or any of the other things useful to terrorists or criminals that fit into a container? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, henry d said: No it doesn`t, the fact that you posted it does show how thoroughly inhumane you and the others are. ^^^^^^ This. A truly tragic and appalling case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, oowee said: ^^^^^^ This. A truly tragic and appalling case. +2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Now imagine it was full of guns, explosives, drugs , hazardous chemicals, bio agents, or any of the other things useful to terrorists or criminals that fit into a container? Is there any reason you would think that hasn't already happened? 37 minutes ago, bruno22rf said: AFAIk - even if the driver knew nothing about the affair, he still carries the can? I believe you might be right. But all the same it seems a bit rough! If the trailer had a customs seal on it the driver can't even check whats in it if he wanted to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 1 minute ago, bluesj said: Is there any reason you would think that hasn't already happened? I dont doubt it for a moment. There was a good example of a couple of Eastern Europeans being jailed this year (with a pathetic sentence) for bringing in 10 semi automatic 9mm pistols in a secret compartment . Swore blind (through an interpreter ) it was the first time theyd done it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Rewulf said: But theyve come from the EU ! So no need to check anything In all seriousness , how many borders, how many ferry crossings, how many ports of entry has this container been through ? In this case , it was full of people, FULL of people , not 2 or 3 , who sadly died. Now imagine it was full of guns, explosives, drugs , hazardous chemicals, bio agents, or any of the other things useful to terrorists or criminals that fit into a container? EU knows what's going on and likely make a point of letting most trucks through with no checks - and dare I say occasional backhanders, anything to try and debilitate the UK in any small way they can. Unfortunate for the victims but they knew the risks involved to pass through safe countries where they could have claimed asylum in order to get to our very generous (to their earnings standards) benefits system. Note I didn't say POOR victims because they will have found the money to pay for their sly and illegal method to get all the way to this countries free housing and heating, paid for by the tax payer. Has anyone got a Henry hat? Edited October 23, 2019 by Dave-G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 I'm totally against immigration, but it doesn't stop me feeling deeply sorry for those poor souls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 It’s tragic by any standards, but is it shocking? Are any of us truthfully so moved as to do ANYTHING about it? Anyone moved enough to even write a strongly worded email to....who exactly? Anyone? We all watch the news with its daily reporting of child refugees in Syria, or wherever they’re killing each other today; we’ll take an intake of breath and tut at the telly, shake our heads and possibly say something along the lines of ‘something should be done’ before getting back to whatever occupies our daily lives. In my opinion, we lost whatever it was we had left when no one was stirred enough to ‘do something’ about the seawater bloated body of a toddler being washed up on the shore some years ago. We are too well insulated from world tragedy and too comfortable in our daily lives, and absolutely inundated with news and images of death, that few if any of us can be bothered to be put out by yet more of the same. We’re all talking about it, but that’s as far as it goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 1 hour ago, figgy said: Terrible news breaking today. Police investigating the deaths of 39 people in the container on a trailer lorry. Came in through Hollyhead on 19th October from Bulgaria all dead and one teen. People smuggling or trafficking. BBC are saying came in to Purfleet from Zeebrugge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 No matter how you feel about what's happened it is a sad and tragic event. Can we please keep posts civil. If you don't think you are able to or feel you might like to make a joke about it then just don't post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 1 minute ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: BBC are saying came in to Purfleet from Zeebrugge. It came via Holyhead earlier, so I guess we'll wait and see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk dumpling Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 This won't be the last we will hear of. Tens of thousands are risking this across the Middle East and Europe every day. The legacy of Bush/Blair disastrous war in Iraq. Sadly evil people are making millions out of this dreadful, tragic trade. Like others here it doesn't upset me anymore although I am very upset for those in the emergency services who have to clear up the mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 Looks like the tractor unit came from NI via Holyhead to pick up the container at Essex, which sort of clears the driver somewhat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted October 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: BBC are saying came in to Purfleet from Zeebrugge. Different to what the police woman said earlier on the news. But suppose more details will unfold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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