London bridge

[Newbie to this]

11 hours ago, henry d said:

And if the murderer who tackled him had taken the pill instead, how would that have turned out?

I think you are kind of missing his point. They would be dead or behind bars for good, either way they wouldn't have been on London Bridge in the first place. They would both either be rotting in the ground, or rotting behind bars. So in both scenarios no longer a threat to the public.

Edited December 2, 2019 by Newbie to this

[Mice!]

1 hour ago, Newbie to this said:

I think you are kind of missing his point. They would be dead or behind bars for good, either way they wouldn't have been on London Bridge in the first place. They would both either be rotting in the ground, or rotting behind bars. So in both scenarios no longer a threat to the public.

Your wasting your time,  Henry seems to think that everyone deserves a second chance.  The convicted murderer didn't take down the nutter alone did he? And your absolutely right Newbie if they were still in prison they wouldn't have been on the bridge. 

I still cant understand our judicial system,  out without seeing a parole board? You get convicted for terrorism then you don't see freedom again it should be simple.

[Rewulf]

8 minutes ago, Mice! said:

Your wasting your time,  Henry seems to think that everyone deserves a second chance

The terrorist did have a second chance! 

He used it to commit a crime that he didn't get chance to complete the first time, resulting in the deaths of 2 people, and potentially more if he hadn't been stopped, by Londoners sick of such people. 

Edited December 2, 2019 by Rewulf

[Walker570]

I read in the news that the father of the murdered young man has responded to the PM's approach AFTER Corbyn blamed the releases on the Tories and said he is disgusted with the response from the PM but no comment at all regarding Corbyn's position and his support for such terrorists.  Then a description of the father and his sons background makes it clear they are left wing do gooders.

 

Pot calling etc etc.    

[JohnfromUK]

1 minute ago, Walker570 said:

Then a description of the father and his sons background makes it clear they are left wing do gooders.

The world has a lot of 'so called do-gooders'.  Many do a great job in difficult situations, often voluntarily, but they have a tendency or even character trait to be inclined to believe peoples stories and 'see the best in people', overlooking the less positive aspects.

This is a fact that is not overlooked by 'the left' - who ruthlessly exploit it for every vote and word of support they can gain.

[Walker570]

Yes, I often wonder if there is a difference between a right wing 'do gooder' and a left wing 'do gooder'.

[JohnfromUK]

4 minutes ago, Walker570 said:

Yes, I often wonder if there is a difference between a right wing 'do gooder' and a left wing 'do gooder'.

Both the far left and the far right try to exploit people who they can get to believe their 'propaganda'.  Some people are easily lead, especially the young before thy have much experience of real world life.  I think the left has a better attraction for 'do gooders' (in view of the generous promises of free broadband, 30% off rail fares, free rail for under 16's etc that make to the so called 'poor' telling them it will be paid for by squeezing the 'rich'.  Promises they never keep).  Arguably both sides attract the thuggish elements about equally.

[Penelope]

15 hours ago, henry d said:

Perhaps if they hung the murderer, as some PW members want for all murderers rather than rehabilitation, that brought this person to the ground then the situation may have been very different and more people may have lost their lives.

You forget that the terrorist would also have been hung so wouldn't have been there either.

[sportsbob]

16 hours ago, henry d said:

Perhaps if they hung the murderer, as some PW members want for all murderers rather than rehabilitation, that brought this person to the ground then the situation may have been very different and more people may have lost their lives.

Why are you calling the police officer a murderer, were you there at the time? Your comments on this forum are constantly redressing others for not being aware of all the facts for example in this thread you comment how would someone know how many wives or children this Islamic terrorist had. Perhaps the Islamic terrorist said he was going to detonate which in mine and many others opinion justifies the action of the police officer.

[toontastic]

I think you are a bit confused. He's not calling the officer a murderer.

[sportsbob]

28 minutes ago, toontastic said:

I think you are a bit confused. He's not calling the officer a murderer.

I am confused with most things Henry says so perhaps I am.

[henry d]

1 hour ago, sportsbob said:

I am confused with most things Henry says so perhaps I am.

You are

[oowee]

1 hour ago, sportsbob said:

I am confused with most things Henry says so perhaps I am.

Yep away with the fairies. 

[Rewulf]

17 minutes ago, oowee said:

Yep away with the fairies. 

With Henry? 

[panoma1]

What’s this? A fracture in the remainer cadres cohesion? 😜

[stumfelter]

14 hours ago, Saltings said:

I don't have a problem with this if the public are under threat ,,,take the threat out ,,,,    and thank the police for keeping us safe and shake their hand as its  a thankless job anyway (sadly)  given what they have to deal with every day    (forget politics'  bs for the moment its all about votes )

the public needs to step up more to confront scrotes  chavs  unsociable types  thieving lowlifes  before they get out of control as our parents and grandparents did       (as seen this weekend  top blokes saved lives got involved and pinned him down )   so help the police rather than walk past with their heads down and whinge behind closed doors leaving it up to the police / council to sort it out        stand up and  get a spine  questioning what they are doing in your area  confront these individuals   every time you see them     pier pressure sorts things out    if not  the police   should be a last resort  as already overstretched 

 

And possibly lose your licences at the same time....

[old man]

23 hours ago, 100milesaway said:

Same folks that were paying before.fromAuntie. 

 

Just the standard  way that those in charge salve their collective conscience, by making pay outs with someone else's money? Their peers deem any activity to be worthy of praise?

[old man]

13 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Hopefully if nothing else comes from this terrible event, the review of release under licence for terrorist offences might help.

 

Of course we desperately need a judiciary that have experienced real life, understand the ordinary man and are prepared to use the full range of sentencing available to them rather than following the liberal rights of the perpetrators and ignoring the actual rights of the victims.

Seemingly, this is how the judiciary are promoted, by individuals and a system which holds similar attitudes that believe the perpetrators are of greater worth than the victim?

[das]

On 30/11/2019 at 09:47, panoma1 said:

This country is pickled with people from different countries with non Christian religious backgrounds, and different values, who despise the West, they originate mostly from **** hole countries which are often corrupt, lawless war zones, they indoctrinate the young in their communities to despise us also, the authorities hands are tied by this countries own equality laws, which the extremists see as weakness! Consequently the authorities are largely unaware of who these individuals are, or what their intentions towards us are!..or how many are actual or potential extremists and terrorists!......it’s beyond control! The authorities are just firefighting it and clearing up the mess afterwards!......and as usual it’s joe public who bears the consequences of both legal and illegal migration into the UK!

Very true, but the full cure to this 'state of war' would be unprintable.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

21 hours ago, henry d said:

And if the murderer who tackled him had taken the pill instead, how would that have turned out?

That would be 2 more perpatrators who would never commit another crime!

[islandgun]

Why havnt they interviewed the heroes [ex prisoners] that tackled him outside with the fire extinguisher on tv ?

[armsid]

and corbyn,s reply      terrorists should not have to serve their full sentence           it was labour who decided on this course of action in 2006 and now it is the tories who will have to change it   i do not think chairman corbyn will do so

Edited December 2, 2019 by armsid

[Mice!]

2 hours ago, islandgun said:

Why havnt they interviewed the heroes [ex prisoners] that tackled him outside with the fire extinguisher on tv ?

Maybe didn't want to be on the TV?

2 hours ago, armsid said:

and corbyn,s reply      terrorists should not have to serve their full sentence           it was labour who decided on this course of action in 2006 and now it is the tories who will have to change it   i do not think chairman corbyn will do so

Yes but once in prison they are well behaved so can get out earlier?? Big deal, if you behave you only serve your term, if you misbehave you stay in longer, wouldn't that be good.

[NoBodyImportant]

Did they explain where the whale tusk came from? I mean here in the states I feel like that is something that you wouldn’t find in stores.  I could probably come up with a pound of cocaine quicker then a narwhal tusk.  I saw this on Facebook as a joke 

Edited December 3, 2019 by NoBodyImportant

[JohnfromUK]

2 hours ago, NoBodyImportant said:

Did they explain where the whale tusk came from?

It was on display in the Fishmongers Hall, the meeting venue where the incident started.  They are rare (and very expensive) display items.